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post #1 of 43 (permalink) Old 06-19-2019, 06:03 PM - Thread Starter
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Fastest Z97 Intel CPU?

Hi folks,
It’s been a while since I built my last system and that means I’ve been away from all the tech info regarding everything to do with computers.

My system specs are pretty much as listed but this is a quick, basic rundown:
Win 7 64/Corsair 780T case/ MSI z97 MPower MAX AC/ 16GB RAM 8x2 (2400Mhz)/ Corsair 1000w PSU/i7 4790K CPU/ (Dev Cnyn)/ GTX 1070 8G/ and 7 SSD’s (6 internally mounted)

The system is liquid cooled with a 240mm radiator on top and a 140mm radiator in the front, all in the same cooling loop, (Swiftech Pump).

Here’s the thing; I’m an FSX flight-sim hobbyist (9+ years) with thousands wrapped up in high-res 3rd party add-ons. When I fly, I run my CPU at the fastest profile I’ve ever been able to get it to (and maintain stability for more than 15 minutes): 4.8GHz.

To save a little time for those not familiar with MS FSX, it’s an old program code and hits the CPU much harder than the GPU. Add high-resolution, 3rd party add-ons and you’ll have a ‘slide-show’ frame rate and about 5 minutes before the system crashes. Therefore, please take my word for it that a fast CPU is more critical than any other piece of hardware in the case, when it comes to this simulator.

I was never able to get the Devil’s Canyon 4790K to hold stability for more than 15 minutes if I overclocked beyond 4.8GHz. My MSI mobo is one of the best boards ever to hit the Z97 socket.

I don’t really want to give it up by upgrading mobo & CPU to the latest Intel sockets, (whatever that is right now), and of course the cost of a new mobo on top of a new CPU would need to be considered.

I’m trying to find out what the experienced, knowledgeable, people in Overclock.net know about the best, fastest (before and/or after overclocking), Intel Z97 CPU may be.

So that’s it, I want to get some experienced opinions regarding the question of the fastest Z97, Intel CPU. At the end of the day, it’s not important how much I can OC the CPU from its stock speed, as it is so much the potential top speed I can get from it.

Anyone out there think they can point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
Rich
PS: I know I can start reading each article ever written about these CPUs but I have a very small amount of time to give to this search, so I thought the best thing to do was go straight to the people at Overclock.net.

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post #2 of 43 (permalink) Old 06-19-2019, 06:09 PM
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The 4790K is the fastest

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Quote: Originally Posted by TheRic89 View Post
The 4790K is the fastest
LOL! I was afraid someone may say that!
Thanks,
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EVGA GTX 1070
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ASUS X24 DVD
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Xigmatek Accessor Ultimate Card Reader
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Swiftech H220, (4) 120mm fans (forgot the brand of the fans) push/pull config)
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(7) – 120mm case fans (I forgot the brand name of the fans but the blades are removable for cleaning)
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What about the 5775c? take a look at that

But can it run.... Angry Birds???

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post #5 of 43 (permalink) Old 06-19-2019, 07:24 PM - Thread Starter
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Thank you,
I haven't checked on that one yet but I'm surprised that I've never heard of it. If it's compatible with the Z97 socket I must have overlooked it back when I was building the system I presently have.

I'm going to run a search/check on it as soon as I get a chance, (a few hours).
Thanks again,
Rich

'Agatha II'.
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CPU
Intel i7-4790K Devil's Canyon
Motherboard
MSI Z97 MPower MAX AC
GPU
EVGA GTX 1070
RAM
G-Skill Ripjaws 2400Mhz
Hard Drive
Crucial MX200 500GB SSD
Hard Drive
Samsung 840 Evo Pro 500GB SSD System Drive
Hard Drive
Crucial MX100 512GB SSD
Hard Drive
Plexor M5 Pro 256GB SSD internal SSD
Hard Drive
Seagate Momentus XT ST1000DX001-1NS162 7200RPM Hybrid SSHD
Optical Drive
ASUS X24 DVD
Optical Drive
Xigmatek Accessor Ultimate Card Reader
Power Supply
Corsair RM1000i
Cooling
Swiftech H220, (4) 120mm fans (forgot the brand of the fans) push/pull config)
Cooling
(7) – 120mm case fans (I forgot the brand name of the fans but the blades are removable for cleaning)
Cooling
(1) – 140mm Corsair rear case exhaust fan
Cooling
Swiftech MCR120 XP all-copper 120mm Radiator w/120mm fans in Push/Pull config
Case
Corsair Graphite 780T
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Quote: Originally Posted by wingclip View Post
Thank you,
I haven't checked on that one yet but I'm surprised that I've never heard of it. If it's compatible with the Z97 socket I must have overlooked it back when I was building the system I presently have.

I'm going to run a search/check on it as soon as I get a chance, (a few hours).
Thanks again,
Rich
5775c is fast but mostly due to the extra cache. It's rare, expensive and doesn't clock nearly as well as the 4790k. Already having a 4790k you've already got the best all around chip on the platform. I've contemplated a 5775c in the past as a current 4790k owner but it''s just not worth it.


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You already have it unless your application would run better at lower clock speeds but with L4 cache on 5775C, which are rare and expensive as hell compared to new CPUs. Not worth upgrading to even from i5s due to crazy prices and rarity.

If your application scales with cores well then getting 3700X or better would help a LOT. Wait for summer, then buy. You would need new CPU, x570 mobo or it's cheaper to be released B550 sibling, DDR4 RAM 3200+.
And I would ditch the slow Win7 too as new platforms are made for Win10.

The trick is not to spend thousands on addons that slow down your PC but instead spend a thousand on a faster PC.
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Thanks JackyCY!

Yes, it appears that I may just have to go and bring the system all the way up to date. And I agree with what you said here:
"You would need new CPU, x570 mobo or it's cheaper to be released B550 sibling, DDR4 RAM 3200+.
And I would ditch the slow Win7 too as new platforms are made for Win10"

The support for Win 7 is going to end soon. I tried Win 10 a little over a year ago and I guess I didn't have it installed for more than 30 minutes before I removed it and went back to Win 7. The reasons for that are hard for me to remember exactly, but it had to do with certain features that Windows took out of my control.

If I recall, I found that I couldn't control the Windows Update option, (I turn it off and update my system every two weeks, religiously), and I think they were forcing me to install some version of the Explorer browser, which was then going to have to stay on as well.

Like I said, I don't remember the details that well but I felt like Windows was suddenly turning into some kind of 'MAC Hybrid' because they were taking the user's ability to control the system away by a significant degree. I've always noticed how people who really like the MAC systems, also hate to have to decide things for themselves.

Mac users are quite happy with letting MAC tell them what they want instead of the other way around. However, I'm either going to have to install Win 10, or try one of the open source options. Considering how many programs I have in this system, I could be in worse shape if I go with an open source...
Thanks again for the replies from you all. I have to step out but at least now I know what my next move needs to be: research the upcoming Intel's and compatible motherboards.
Rich

'Agatha II'.
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Intel i7-4790K Devil's Canyon
Motherboard
MSI Z97 MPower MAX AC
GPU
EVGA GTX 1070
RAM
G-Skill Ripjaws 2400Mhz
Hard Drive
Crucial MX200 500GB SSD
Hard Drive
Samsung 840 Evo Pro 500GB SSD System Drive
Hard Drive
Crucial MX100 512GB SSD
Hard Drive
Plexor M5 Pro 256GB SSD internal SSD
Hard Drive
Seagate Momentus XT ST1000DX001-1NS162 7200RPM Hybrid SSHD
Optical Drive
ASUS X24 DVD
Optical Drive
Xigmatek Accessor Ultimate Card Reader
Power Supply
Corsair RM1000i
Cooling
Swiftech H220, (4) 120mm fans (forgot the brand of the fans) push/pull config)
Cooling
(7) – 120mm case fans (I forgot the brand name of the fans but the blades are removable for cleaning)
Cooling
(1) – 140mm Corsair rear case exhaust fan
Cooling
Swiftech MCR120 XP all-copper 120mm Radiator w/120mm fans in Push/Pull config
Case
Corsair Graphite 780T
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Logitech G602
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Xear by CMedia 5.1 external USB sound card
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The 5775c is definitely the fastest, on average for gaming.
But the support is spotty, and it isn't the fastest in every game, it is rare and expensive, and it probably isn't worth a couple hundred $ net a year before Sunny Cove comes out for the likely small gain over a 4.8ghz 4790k.

Your mobo says it supports Broadwell-c, but sometimes the oc support is limited. My EVGA z97 Classified forgets any cache voltage adjustment and only remembers core voltage offsets by the time windows boots. It also has no edram overclocking options. My ROG VII Hero is very finicky, and while it runs fine now with a 5775c, it gave me a lot of problems. The Asus z97 WS has the 5775c listed as working, but I've only heard that it doesn't.

And there are sites like this: https://translate.google.com/transla...lake?page=0,12 that have done a good job of comparing, but the ram is set to 1600, which gives an unfair advantage to the ram enhancing 5775c. You already have 2400, so the difference would be less.
This is what I got comparing a 5950hq(same as 5775c), 4980hq, and 4770k(you know) on the same hardware: https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-in...l#post27852396
I got about a 15% per clock improvement with a 5775c over a 4770k in the games I tested and you can see some variability. Your flight simulator might not be better at all depending on what it needs the cpu to do. I really don't know.

But a 5ghz 8700k is almost certain to be better and Sunny Cove should be better than that.

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Thank you rlucker!! That is extremely helpful info and yes, I spotted that 5Ghz 8700 about a month ago, (it may have come out sooner, but I wasn't looking for anything and I just saw it on my way to a different site).

To be honest, I think the money I would save if I wanted to avoid spending for the 8700 and all I would need for it, isn't going to be enough for me to try and squeeze out another .15 to .2GHz from any CPU I buy that cost less.

I thought about that processor several times since I saw it and each time I said "naaah". Now I'm thinking that I may go for it but I don't think I can run DDR3 with that one. However, just about any upgrade worth my while would need DDR4 or better so all in all, I may be heading for that 8700 before it's over.
Thanks,
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'Agatha II'.
(26 items)
CPU
Intel i7-4790K Devil's Canyon
Motherboard
MSI Z97 MPower MAX AC
GPU
EVGA GTX 1070
RAM
G-Skill Ripjaws 2400Mhz
Hard Drive
Crucial MX200 500GB SSD
Hard Drive
Samsung 840 Evo Pro 500GB SSD System Drive
Hard Drive
Crucial MX100 512GB SSD
Hard Drive
Plexor M5 Pro 256GB SSD internal SSD
Hard Drive
Seagate Momentus XT ST1000DX001-1NS162 7200RPM Hybrid SSHD
Optical Drive
ASUS X24 DVD
Optical Drive
Xigmatek Accessor Ultimate Card Reader
Power Supply
Corsair RM1000i
Cooling
Swiftech H220, (4) 120mm fans (forgot the brand of the fans) push/pull config)
Cooling
(7) – 120mm case fans (I forgot the brand name of the fans but the blades are removable for cleaning)
Cooling
(1) – 140mm Corsair rear case exhaust fan
Cooling
Swiftech MCR120 XP all-copper 120mm Radiator w/120mm fans in Push/Pull config
Case
Corsair Graphite 780T
Operating System
Windows 7 64bit Home Premium
Monitor
ACER 28" 4K Monitor
Keyboard
Logitech G910
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Logitech G602
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Steel Series Gaming Pad
Audio
Xear by CMedia 5.1 external USB sound card
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