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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-31-2019, 08:32 AM - Thread Starter
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Is Intel ever going to release 10nm desktop chips, or is it a meme at this point?

It looks like 10th gen is still gonna be using the 14nm process. I said I'd buy another Intel Chip once they release 10nm, looks like I'm gonna be waiting until 2022?

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I 'member when we were on 65nm and people said it felt like it was taking forever to get to 45nm. There were doubts it would even happen, but competition being what it is always forces chipmakers to play cat-and-mouse as time goes on.

It'll happen just don't hold your breath is all. By 2022 for certain but more likely expect to see something late 2020.


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Gaming is moving to 4k, slowly. And once gaming moves to 4k, the IPC difference between Intel and AMD is going to be irrelevant, because AMD's Ryzen 5 (non-X) model with no OC is going to get the same FPS as Intel's OC'd I7, within a % point or 2 . I think gaming will have comfortably moved to 4k for enthusiast builds, before Intel drops a 10nm chip. Further delays by Intel will only serve to assist their competition who's closing the gap on them, quickly. Or you're discouraging people who have older I7 CPUs from upgrading at all, due to there being little to no gains to be had once gaming officially transitions to 4k on single GPU setups. Some people might still prefer 1440p/144hz+ for PC gaming, and Intel chips would certainly be better on that type of monitor and refresh rate. But only on CPU intensive games, or AMD can probably hold the refresh rate as well.


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Gaming is moving to 4k, slowly. And once gaming moves to 4k, the IPC difference between Intel and AMD is going to be irrelevant, because AMD's Ryzen 5 (non-X) model with no OC is going to get the same FPS as Intel's OC'd I7, within a % point or 2 . I think gaming will have comfortably moved to 4k for enthusiast builds, before Intel drops a 10nm chip. Further delays by Intel will only serve to assist their competition who's closing the gap on them, quickly. Or you're discouraging people who have older I7 CPUs from upgrading at all, due to there being little to no gains to be had once gaming officially transitions to 4k on single GPU setups. Some people might still prefer 1440p/144hz+ for PC gaming, and Intel chips would certainly be better on that type of monitor and refresh rate. But only on CPU intensive games, or AMD can probably hold the refresh rate as well.

Why would anyone want 4K to go mainstream while we still don't have single GPUs that can consistently drive 4K at max settings >60 FPS? The 2080 Ti is almost that card but most people aren't going to drop $1300 on a GPU.

AMD was stuck on 32nm from 2012 to 2017 while Intel went from 32mm to 22nm to 14nm in the same time span. Intel taking ~5 years to get to 10nm isn't really going to matter as long as whatever 10nm CPU they launch is solid.

If 1st gen Ryzen took 5 years to develop/launch but it only had a 5% IPC gain over Bulldozer I doubt AMD would still be around.

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nothing fun is coming for us until at least 6 months after the new consoles drop. 10nm will come, just like 14 came, and 22, etc etc etc etenaeotn =0836 hger= is this even a serious question?

still, AMD is in the process of taking the gaming throne from intel once again, so yay? you can fully expect them to start charging intel prices once they feel like they've really taken the cake.

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Not to high jack a thread from last week, but I was hoping the next Intel series would be out well by Q2 2020.. am I asking too much?

Should I bite the bullet and how on the AMD Ryzen bandwagon?

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Why would anyone want 4K to go mainstream while we still don't have single GPUs that can consistently drive 4K at max settings >60 FPS? The 2080 Ti is almost that card but most people aren't going to drop $1300 on a GPU.

Last i checked, you could get an RTX 2080 Ti black from EVGA at my local microcenter for $1050. I'd much rather get an RTX 2080 Super for $699 though.



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It looks like 10th gen is still gonna be using the 14nm process. I said I'd buy another Intel Chip once they release 10nm, looks like I'm gonna be waiting until 2022?

What's the rush? It's not like 7nm is giving AMD the ability to hit 5ghz+ or even hit their advertised boost speeds. It's working so great for them that that they announced the other day that 105'c is "normal" lol.




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Why would anyone want 4K to go mainstream while we still don't have single GPUs that can consistently drive 4K at max settings >60 FPS? The 2080 Ti is almost that card but most people aren't going to drop $1300 on a GPU.

Last i checked, you could get an RTX 2080 Ti black from EVGA at my local microcenter for $1050. I'd much rather get an RTX 2080 Super for $699 though.



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It looks like 10th gen is still gonna be using the 14nm process. I said I'd buy another Intel Chip once they release 10nm, looks like I'm gonna be waiting until 2022?

What's the rush? It's not like 7nm is giving AMD the ability to hit 5ghz+ or even hit their advertised boost speeds. It's working so great for them that that they announced the other day that 105'c is "normal" lol.


AMD already announced the boost frequency fix. It takes some weeks before mobo manufactures releases a new BIOS. 4,6-4,7 GHz boost is not that far off from the 5 mark. There is a good chance next year a new 7+nm AMD CPUs hitting that 5 GHz boost and future 7++ all cores OC.

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When Zen 3 gets here, Ghz isn't going to matter. Whoever gets to 3d stacking first, wins. And the 10 nm desktop chip is at least a year out. Sorry. They are focusing on laptops/devices and not losing their datacenter costumers to epyc.

Desktop is a luxury item. They can't(as in impossible at the current monolithic architecture) keep their 5+ghz clocks at 10nm. Frequency drops as nm drops and quantum tunnelling gets worse. You will see them optimizing drivers, firmware, and literally create OS's to stretch out performance without a die shrink.
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