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Quote: Originally Posted by deafboy View Post
You're limited to 1155, so no modern processors. But there are other processors that are better than that xeon in terms of gaming.

I also wouldn't spend more than $50 on a mobo, it's a very dated platform at this point.
OK, after 2 weeks of heavy bidding war losses I am nowhere near to having a mobo. Also all the "good" mobo's are always $100+ so spending in the $50 range does not seem possible.. but I could be approaching this the wrong way. z77 Chipset MOBO's are overkill for my CPU but they are more abundant and cheaper in most cases than h77 and z68.. I've only been going for mobo's with 2+ usb3 HEADERs, and 1+ PCIe 3.0 slots.

I just found out that 1 header can split into 2 as most cases have 2 usb 3.0 slots on front, but I was erroneously disregarding mobo's that only had 1 header on it.

Also being that I have a CPU that "can't" be OC'd and an RX 580 8gb, what am I losing if I go PCIe 2.0 v/s PCIe 3.0?


z77's are about $100+, but if a z68 or h77 suffices I can start exploring elsewhere..

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p.s. absolutely no idea what MOPARMAN was saying in his post? i.e. hen use FSB to like 105-107 <-- ???
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FSB hasn't been a thing since ... 2006? lol.

anything before Skylake, the BCLK is also tied to other things such as your PCI-E slots and SATA, and raising BCLK throws them out of spec and they stop working eventually. anything above 105 is extremely unlikely to work (and it's usually ~102) without an external clock gen which isn't a thing before Skylake AFAIK.

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Why are you looking for boards with multiple USB 3 headers? Even today that's not a common thing.

Z68 or H77 would be just fine.

You're not going to notice a difference between PCIe 3.0 vs 2.0

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Quote: Originally Posted by deafboy View Post
Why are you looking for boards with multiple USB 3 headers? Even today that's not a common thing.
Because I foolishly thought that since my case had 2 USB 3.0 slots that I needed 2 headers, 1x1, it wasn't until somebody told me that most headers can output to 2 usb slots that i realized my mistake


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You're not going to notice a difference between PCIe 3.0 vs 2.0
in the interest of learning, why do you say that? I read up on PCIe 2.0 v/s 3.0 but going to be honest didn't really understand it much other than getting impression that my CPU won't or can't take advantage of PCIe 3.0, but what about my RX 580 8gb GPU?


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Z68 or H77 would be just fine.
spot on, but those seem rarer to find than the more commonly available z77(at least on ebay) that are as cheap as the z68 or h77's.

the hunt continues..

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Every rig that I own right now is LGA 1155. I can't help but think you'd have been better off (cheaper) to run a Ryzen 1200 and a cheap B350 motherboard. 1155 motherboards are very hard to find, at a reasonable price.

To answer your question, most 1155 motherboards will take your CPU no problem. Even if you can find an H61 motherboard, it'll "work". I'd throw it together with the cheapest, STANDARD motherboard you can find (something that doesn't have special pinouts), and just rock it till you can upgrade to a more modern platform.

For your GPU question, the 290 and 580 will perform fairly closely to each other (a buddy of mine has both). The RX580 will use a LOT less power doing it though, use the RX580.

My 2 cents? Sell your RAM, CPU, and the 290, and use your leftover funds to jump into a cheap Ryzen setup. Surely you can score a used 1200 cheap and a used B350 motherboard for cheap. 8GB of cheap DDR4 and you're set.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Phabeon View Post
Because I foolishly thought that since my case had 2 USB 3.0 slots that I needed 2 headers, 1x1, it wasn't until somebody told me that most headers can output to 2 usb slots that i realized my mistake




in the interest of learning, why do you say that? I read up on PCIe 2.0 v/s 3.0 but going to be honest didn't really understand it much other than getting impression that my CPU won't or can't take advantage of PCIe 3.0, but what about my RX 580 8gb GPU?




spot on, but those seem rarer to find than the more commonly available z77(at least on ebay) that are as cheap as the z68 or h77's.

the hunt continues..

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PCIe versions are all backwards compatible

As far as the bandwidth, you can think of them by essentially doubling every generation

So PCIe 1.0x16 = PCIe 2.0x8 = PCIe 3.0x4

But for the real comparison here is PCIe 2.0x16 is roughly equivelant to PCIe 3.0x8

There aren't many GPUs that fully saturate a PCIe 2.0x16 link.

The difference between a 2080Ti on a 2.0x16 link and 3.0x16 link is 1-3%

You GPU is no where near as powerful as a 2080Ti. A PCIe 2.0x16 link will be just fine, honestly, a 2.0x8 would likely be just fine too

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Quote: Originally Posted by deafboy View Post
Why are you looking for boards with multiple USB 3 headers? Even today that's not a common thing.

Z68 or H77 would be just fine.

You're not going to notice a difference between PCIe 3.0 vs 2.0
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Every rig that I own right now is LGA 1155. I can't help but think you'd have been better off (cheaper) to run a Ryzen 1200 and a cheap B350 motherboard. 1155 motherboards are very hard to find, at a reasonable price.

To answer your question, most 1155 motherboards will take your CPU no problem. Even if you can find an H61 motherboard, it'll "work". I'd throw it together with the cheapest, STANDARD motherboard you can find (something that doesn't have special pinouts), and just rock it till you can upgrade to a more modern platform.

For your GPU question, the 290 and 580 will perform fairly closely to each other (a buddy of mine has both). The RX580 will use a LOT less power doing it though, use the RX580.

My 2 cents? Sell your RAM, CPU, and the 290, and use your leftover funds to jump into a cheap Ryzen setup. Surely you can score a used 1200 cheap and a used B350 motherboard for cheap. 8GB of cheap DDR4 and you're set.

my main issue is this...

If I complete the Xeon build, for $100($50 mobo+$50 case) I'd be done, thats all I Need..

If I scrap that build and go FULL RYZEN, I essentially have to start over, and not just monetarily, I mean I'm barely to the point where I became well versed in the LGA1155 socket and z68, H77, and Z77 chipsets for mobo's. However I'll need DDR4 RAM, AM4 socket MOBO, and will my 5+ year old Be Quiet! L8 PSU be ok or not?

NOT opposed to going Ryzen but what MOBO's are high end and what MOBO's are medium end? Sounds like B350 is low end..

i.e. I'm lookin at the $160 Ryzen 7 2600X but what MOBO to pair with it and what DDR4 RAM do I need?

The plus side is that socket is AM4 so I can even use the new gen Ryzen chips once prices drop in a year or 2 right?
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It is absolutely worth the extra time and money to get a newer platform.

Dumping money into a dead platform is a waste, especially when the dead platform isn't overclockable.

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The real bidding happens at the last second. Sort by time ending soonest. Pick a listing ending in the next few hours and set your alarm for about 5 minutes before it ends. Put the max price you're willing to pay for that particular listing and don't submit it until about 2 seconds is left.

If there's not anything reasonably priced ending within the next few hours just filter by "buy it now" only and sort price+shipping lowest.
Decent sandy bridge boards go for about $30 (might need bios flash to support your CPU).
Decent ivy bridge boards go for about $50.
Overclockable boards go for about $85 (lowest end) to the mid-100s, probably not worth it.
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The real bidding happens at the last second. Sort by time ending soonest. Pick a listing ending in the next few hours and set your alarm for about 5 minutes before it ends. Put the max price you're willing to pay for that particular listing and don't submit it until about 2 seconds is left.

If there's not anything reasonably priced ending within the next few hours just filter by "buy it now" only and sort price+shipping lowest.
Decent sandy bridge boards go for about $30 (might need bios flash to support your CPU).
Decent ivy bridge boards go for about $50.
Overclockable boards go for about $85 (lowest end) to the mid-100s, probably not worth it.
Good luck!
outstanding advice, and really well written, will try out this stratagy moving forward! Would have helped, was watching an Asus Maximus V Gene, sat at $45 for all 10 days, and I thought it was mines to win since I was the high bidder that time, particularly with it ending around end of Super Bowl. NOPE at last 3 min's it jumped up to $85, and I lost by doing $90 when I should have set my max price of $110, it sold for $91. That was one of the most disheartening feelings ever, thought it was mine and wanted it so bad since it wasn't the ugly blue'ized mobo's seemingly common for this era.

All this reminds me of what we called SNIPING back in my day, we would have like 10 browsers open on the listing and each had prices incrementally higher, $5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, ect, ect, and we would jus click enter on each one at the last 30sec's..

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