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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 01-14-2020, 12:29 AM - Thread Starter
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Is delidding and direct die worth it for air cooling?

No one seems to have addressed this question and it seems like everyone who does direct die cooling uses H2O cooling.
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Likely won’t see the same gains as with water but yeah I’d say it’s worth it.
These CPU’s run hot enough as it is.

I’d suggest using Rockit Cool kit to delid and direct die.

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Maybe because on custom blocks you get more finecontrol
Big Air-Coolers have a focus on double mounting mechanisms and quite some pressure
You'd crack the silicon, just alone from the required pressure to hold this bulky tower vertically

Sure mounting pressure is spread across the backplate of the mounting system and across the board
But every tiny bump - just case movement -> will for sure move the huge tower a tiny bit up and down
Resulting in higher pressure on one side, following by high pressure on the bottom side = fully cracking the sillicon

Very bad idea, don't even try it
It would potentially only work on flat test benches ~ only IF this testbench rly stays flat
But you again have to keep in mind the pendeling force which will 100% happen even on by hand lift-up or hitting with the fist on the desk for example (unlikely to happen as event, but can happen - which will result in also a crack in sillicon)

On the other hand flat mounts have more structure to them
Taking as example Near Sub-Zero cooling, while pots on it's own are never horizontally standing
A normal waterblock requires too quite some pressure, but it's side focused ~ while they are quite flat and so not that heavy
Tho if you take for example the Alphacool Eisbär, or Deepcools bigger Pump-Block combos
Those would have a higher chance of wingle on movement ~ be it simple nature earthquake movement
Which 100% will result in sillicon cracking

Flat stuff like Alphacool Eisbaer LT Solo, or any other tiny sharp edges block which focuses pressure on the sides may work
But even then, it's very recommendable to use fixed standoffs for vibration dampening - else you'll crack the Die on any kind of wiggle pressure

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Quote: Originally Posted by 8051 View Post
No one seems to have addressed this question and it seems like everyone who does direct die cooling uses H2O cooling.

It will keep your max temp from 2c to 6c lower.

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Hi,
If you have a copper air cooler i suppose it is

But most I've seen direct die are at least using a clc cooler not air and majority are custom water loops.

Main question is are you willing to flush a 3 year intel warranty good bye ?
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Depends what CPU you're talking about and what kind of air cooler you're talking about and of course if you're okay with potentially destroying your CPU

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If no one has done it before I'm not going to be the first. I was thinking of doing it with a 9700k and a DH15s.
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If no one has done it before I'm not going to be the first. I was thinking of doing it with a 9700k and a DH15s.
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I personally don't think it's worth it
Wait until the warranty expires then do it

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If no one has done it before I'm not going to be the first. I was thinking of doing it with a 9700k and a DH15s.
It's been done many times and yes it works. Rockitcool has a NH-D15 set of spacers for their direct die mount. They even have a video showing precisely how to do direct die on a NH-D15.

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Yup, definitely not the first and it does give better numbers....as long as you're okay with the potential risk I'd go for it.

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