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post #21 of 68 (permalink) Old 02-12-2020, 12:01 PM - Thread Starter
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Quote: Originally Posted by Kalm_Traveler View Post
"doesn't do much" ? Not sure what gave you that idea.

the 79x0, 99x0, and 109x0 chips are much stronger than the best LGA 2011 chip all around.

Honestly though, if you are wanting 4k gaming you'll want to start saving for something modern. x99 had a great run, but it's 6 years old and CPU technology has made some huge leaps since that time.
Is changing my motherboard though going to be THAT much of a difference. From what I read, the motherboards that are newer compared to my Asus Rampage V Extreme are not that huge.


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waiting out next gen cpu's might be a good idea, but 8c 16t is much cheaper from amd than intel if you move platforms 500 bucks is steep for a cpu lol

cries in 9900k
yeah thats what I thought, which is why I am trying to figure/understand if a simple CPU upgrade would be a big increase. I thought the issue when it came to 4k was really from the GPU vs the CPU.


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agree haha

I recently realized that my step brother is still using my old Core 2 Duo rig from 2008 (I helped him upgrade it to a 4 core Xeon in 2014), so I'm thinking to upgrade him for his b-day this year to a Ryzen 3800x. Should be a pretty nuts upgrade from a quad core 3.4ghz xeon and 8gb of 1333mhz DDR3 to a 8 core/16 thread 3.9-4.5ghz Ryzen with 16gb of 3600mhz DDR4.

When I found out he was still chugging along with that old beast, I bought him a new case, PSU, and 1tb SATA SSD in preparation. He doesn't game (obviously with that hunk o junk) but I think throwing in an RTX 2060 KO might help get him to play some games. Right now he has a GTX 550 Ti.
THIS IS THE BEST GIFT EVER! He has no idea what he has in store for him. Could I make a suggestion. Right before you do the upgrade, have him play some of his favorite games at his current setting, then the highest gpu setting. This way he can see how sluggish it is. Then plug in his peripherals to the new case, etc and boom. He can be blown away.

Don't forget to upgrade that SATA to an SSD. That alone is a huge upgrade if he doesn't have one.
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1680v3 all day
The 1680v3s are still pretty expensive, but the lower end E5-16xx v3s are a compelling upgrade path from a hex-core.

Any eight or ten-core LGA-2011v3 i7 still costs so much that it would generally be wiser to to just replace the board and 5930K with a Ryzen, but the Xeon E5-1660 v3, for example, is cheap enough to really consider.

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The 1680v3s are still pretty expensive, but the lower end E5-16xx v3s are a compelling upgrade path from a hex-core.

Any eight or ten-core LGA-2011v3 i7 still costs so much that it would generally be wiser to to just replace the board and 5930K with a Ryzen, but the Xeon E5-1660 v3, for example, is cheap enough to really consider.
Guess it's all relative, $260 doesn't seem that expensive to be honest.

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Quote: Originally Posted by dpoverlord View Post
Is changing my motherboard though going to be THAT much of a difference. From what I read, the motherboards that are newer compared to my Asus Rampage V Extreme are not that huge.

THIS IS THE BEST GIFT EVER! He has no idea what he has in store for him. Could I make a suggestion. Right before you do the upgrade, have him play some of his favorite games at his current setting, then the highest gpu setting. This way he can see how sluggish it is. Then plug in his peripherals to the new case, etc and boom. He can be blown away.

Don't forget to upgrade that SATA to an SSD. That alone is a huge upgrade if he doesn't have one.

Ahh I guess I'm just not understanding what you mean by 'difference'. For me, x299 was a big benefit because I was able to have much more than just 8 cores, and with higher clock speeds with higher IPC than my 6900k was providing. Faster RAM was a bonus, but even now I only run 3600mhz DDR4 (this would never have POSTed on my Rampage V Edition 10 motherboard).

and thank you - I hope he's totally blown away by the upgrade

Might choose an x570 motherboard and get him a PCI-E 4.0 nvme ssd

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Honestly though, if you are wanting 4k gaming you'll want to start saving for something modern. x99 had a great run, but it's 6 years old and CPU technology has made some huge leaps since that time.
Gaming at 4k is even LESS incentive to upgrade to "something modern". Games are so GPU bound at 4k that even an aging hex core Haswell-E is more than adequate.

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Ahh I guess I'm just not understanding what you mean by 'difference'. For me, x299 was a big benefit because I was able to have much more than just 8 cores, and with higher clock speeds with higher IPC than my 6900k was providing. Faster RAM was a bonus, but even now I only run 3600mhz DDR4 (this would never have POSTed on my Rampage V Edition 10 motherboard).

and thank you - I hope he's totally blown away by the upgrade

Might choose an x570 motherboard and get him a PCI-E 4.0 nvme ssd
Hi,
3600c16 might x99 loves samsung b-die and just hates hynix and maybe even micron
I know x99 is finicky as heck with what type of memory
3200c14 works fine on my x99 sabertooth and 5930k where as it won't post using 3200c16.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
3600c16 might x99 loves samsung b-die and just hates hynix and maybe even micron
I know x99 is finicky as heck with what type of memory
3200c14 works fine on my x99 sabertooth and 5930k where as it won't post using 3200c16.
Hi - neither my Sabertooth x99 TUF board with 5820k or Rampage V Edition 10 board with 6900k would POST with it. the R5E10 board would POST with 3200 cl14 though.

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Hi - neither my Sabertooth x99 TUF board with 5820k or Rampage V Edition 10 board with 6900k would POST with it. the R5E10 board would POST with 3200 cl14 though.
Hi,
Very strange

I don't push mine I'm happy with 3200c14 timings manually entered with a couple more little basic tweaks working now for little more than two years

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Gaming at 4k is even LESS incentive to upgrade to "something modern". Games are so GPU bound at 4k that even an aging hex core Haswell-E is more than adequate.
Yes and no (as far as less incentive to upgrade from a 4 year old platform).

When comparing more modern platforms yes of course driving 4k high graphics settings is usually going to be a graphics card bottleneck, but when you start stepping back the IPC, clock speed, and core count you'll run into situations eventually where the CPU is just inadequate.

My point is that in general, if someone is wanting to upgrade whilst running a 4+ year old mb/cpu/RAM combo, it would be in their best interest to consider a more modern base for their system over spending hundreds of dollars on more 4 year old parts to try and max it out.

Surely there will be edge cases where at a given time you might be able to find some situation where there's a good deal on the used market for a specific part, but I can't possibly account for every possible scenario.

My other thought on the matter is that I'd be looking at overall satisfaction with the purchase. For my own situation, I can't imagine being pleased with spending $300-400 for a 4 year old CPU upgrade when I could have put that towards brand new parts that would blow the pants off the best 4 year old CPU.

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Very strange

I don't push mine I'm happy with 3200c14 timings manually entered with a couple more little basic tweaks working now for little more than two years
haha yeah may have just been a bad MC on the cpu, or the MB didn't like that memory.

Either way, I haven't had any problems with 3600 CL14 on either the Rampage VI Extreme or this newer R6E Omega board, both with the 7960x or new 10980xe.

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