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post #31 of 68 (permalink) Old 02-12-2020, 09:20 PM
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Very strange

I don't push mine I'm happy with 3200c14 timings manually entered with a couple more little basic tweaks working now for little more than two years
Are those uncommonly good timings for a Haswell-E running 3200Mhz. memory?
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Yes and no (as far as less incentive to upgrade from a 4 year old platform).

When comparing more modern platforms yes of course driving 4k high graphics settings is usually going to be a graphics card bottleneck, but when you start stepping back the IPC, clock speed, and core count you'll run into situations eventually where the CPU is just inadequate.

My point is that in general, if someone is wanting to upgrade whilst running a 4+ year old mb/cpu/RAM combo, it would be in their best interest to consider a more modern base for their system over spending hundreds of dollars on more 4 year old parts to try and max it out.
If they upgrade to a 1660 V3 for example they could sell the 5930K for 90-100 on ebay so it'd only be a 75 dollar upgrade minus fees which is pretty decent.

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Are those uncommonly good timings for a Haswell-E running 3200Mhz. memory?
Hi,
3200c14 seems so 14-14-14-34 tested latency x99 likes it or at least mine does.

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Overclocked 6900k with 3400 c13 tweaked memory is faster in any game that are cpubound. Read Battlefield V etc... The key here is lower latency than Ryzen

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Overclocked 6900k with 3400 c13 tweaked memory is faster in any game that are cpubound. Read Battlefield V etc... The key here is lower latency than Ryzen
This is what all the AMD fans ignore, that not only that Intel CPU's have more core overclocking headroom but more RAM overclocking headroom. The memory latencies for all AMD CPU's are terrible when compared to contemporary Intel CPU's.
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This is what all the AMD fans ignore, that not only that Intel CPU's have more core overclocking headroom but more RAM overclocking headroom. The memory latencies for all AMD CPU's are terrible when compared to contemporary Intel CPU's.
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I have both 3900x and 9900k. When both are "maxed" overclocked on cpu and memory, 9900k still is much faster in cpubound games like Battlefield V and Tombraider using 2080ti. With even faster GPU, the difference will be there in higher than 1440p.

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Guess it's all relative, $260 doesn't seem that expensive to be honest.
Even at $260 it's 25-30% more than the 1660, which is essentially the same thing.

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Yes and no (as far as less incentive to upgrade from a 4 year old platform).

When comparing more modern platforms yes of course driving 4k high graphics settings is usually going to be a graphics card bottleneck, but when you start stepping back the IPC, clock speed, and core count you'll run into situations eventually where the CPU is just inadequate.

My point is that in general, if someone is wanting to upgrade whilst running a 4+ year old mb/cpu/RAM combo, it would be in their best interest to consider a more modern base for their system over spending hundreds of dollars on more 4 year old parts to try and max it out.
If they upgrade to a 1660 V3 for example they could sell the 5930K for 90-100 on ebay so it'd only be a 75 dollar upgrade minus fees which is pretty decent.
Well I'm doing everything 4k and was under the belief everything was gpu bound. I don't really think upgrading the mobo is a huge upgrade considering that the new mobos don't see to offer much more performance than what I have other than a better CPU.


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Guess it's all relative, $260 doesn't seem that expensive to be honest.
Even at $260 it's 25-30% more than the 1660, which is essentially the same thing.
That's where I was going with this. My 5930k on air does 4.4 - 4.56 ghz
If the xeon is only a bit more and will be a big upgrade @ 4k it could be worth it. Otherwise I'll just wait for the 3080ti and get the new LG 2020 gx to replace my Samsung js 55"
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Well I'm doing everything 4k and was under the belief everything was gpu bound. I don't really think upgrading the mobo is a huge upgrade considering that the new mobos don't see to offer much more performance than what I have other than a better CPU.
You're probably right with 4k, a good cpu within the last 5 years or so will still probably be GPU bottlenecked.

As far as motherboard 'performance' - I think that's where I don't understand what you're meaning. your R5E still supports PCIE 3.0, has built in nvme m.2 spot, and uses DDR4 so the basics are still there but the biggest 'performance' differences will be in CPU and RAM speed (and their combined performance benefit).

higher end x299 chips clock higher, have better IPC, and of course way more cores than x99 but also support faster RAM which synergistically makes them much faster all around. That being said, if you pretty much just want better 4k gaming performance it won't make much if any difference from your 5930k most likely.

For example, upgrading my 7960x @ 4.7ghz all core to the 10980xe @ 4.9ghz all core on this 3840 x 1600 screen, games run literally exactly the same because even at this resolution I'm just GPU bottlenecked by the Titan RTX cards.

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Overclocked 6900k with 3400 c13 tweaked memory is faster in any game that are cpubound. Read Battlefield V etc... The key here is lower latency than Ryzen
Hi, could you give me your voltage/timing data for 3400 CL13? Are you running 3200 CL14 sticks?
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