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Next month I'm going to buy a new PC after 6 years of my current one

Main use gonna be gaming on 1080p 240hz mostly comp shooters like Apex but also some RPG's and ARPG's on ultra settings
I dont expect those RPG's to run at 240hz but i do want high smooth fps


This is what i planned so far:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kdp9L2


And i have few questions:


1.Which 2080 Super models are worth getting? I'm thinking about the MSI TRIO X as i see plenty of good reviews about it
2.10700k or 10900k for 240hz 1080p?

3.Which noctua fans should i go for silent and good case cooling?


Anything you would change/replace in the list? and why?


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1. Generally speaking, I would aim toward getting the most affordable version of a GPU. Spending more money doesn't add to performance. You might be paying for a higher base clock or boost clock from factory overclocks, but it's generally not worth the price premium. Especially when you consider next-gen graphics cards should be out by the end of the year. If you can get that card for the ~$750 is should be, it's a good purchase.

2. It doesn't matter. Either will be able to accomplish what you want.

3. There's a lot of options for silent case fans. The NF-A12x25 is probably the best option available, but they're $30 a pop. If you want to replace the case fans, I'd probably get some Arctic F14s as a cost-effective alternative. If it has to be Noctua, I'd recommend the NF-A14 PWM or NF-A12x25 PWM.

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Quote: Originally Posted by chessmyantidrug View Post
1. Generally speaking, I would aim toward getting the most affordable version of a GPU. Spending more money doesn't add to performance. You might be paying for a higher base clock or boost clock from factory overclocks, but it's generally not worth the price premium. Especially when you consider next-gen graphics cards should be out by the end of the year. If you can get that card for the ~$750 is should be, it's a good purchase.

2. It doesn't matter. Either will be able to accomplish what you want.

3. There's a lot of options for silent case fans. The NF-A12x25 is probably the best option available, but they're $30 a pop. If you want to replace the case fans, I'd probably get some Arctic F14s as a cost-effective alternative. If it has to be Noctua, I'd recommend the NF-A14 PWM or NF-A12x25 PWM.



Hey
Let me clear that I was sure the new cards gonna be available only by end of the 2021 - if they come out the end of the year then it might be worth keeping my 980Ti until then..
Anyway to clear things up let me explain prices range for the RTX in my country
2080 SUpers are around 850-950USD

2080Ti are around 1250-1350usd
2070 super are around 650-700usd
there are also expansive models like "gigabyte 2080 extreme" cost 850usd



So I'm kinda worried here as i dont want to buy a GPU for few months and then resell it and lose money and buy another..


For CPU's if 10700k is able to do everything i need in 240hz 1080p - then its my cpu to go with!
I just hope the Noctua NH-D15 would be able to cool it because its cheap and reliable


for the case fans i wanted to ask something else aswell- you say PWM fans, if i remember correctly the PWM means its 4 pin connector and can be controlled in BIOS right? but most mobos dont have enough 4pins connectors but a 3pin instead right?
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Any graphics card you sell, you're going to lose money. Whether or not the depressed value you get back is worth it for a few months of usage is up to you. Unfortunately it will be difficult to know what Turing cards will sell for secondhand when Ampere hits the market. Rumors suggest a massive leap in performance with better pricing. If the rumors are true, the value of Turing cards could drop precipitously.

With that said, the RTX 2080S is a pretty substantial upgrade over a GTX 980 Ti. You wouldn't be disappointed with the performance and might not even feel compelled to upgrade when Ampere comes out. It should be available by the end of the year. Nvidia finally has competition from AMD so they can't sit on their hands like they did with Turing.

PWM does mean 4-pin connector, yes. I would rather have fans where I'm in control of their speed/noise. Looking at pictures of that motherboard on Newegg, there's at least six 4-pin fan headers on the board. I didn't see any 3-pin headers.

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Quote: Originally Posted by chessmyantidrug View Post
Any graphics card you sell, you're going to lose money. Whether or not the depressed value you get back is worth it for a few months of usage is up to you. Unfortunately it will be difficult to know what Turing cards will sell for secondhand when Ampere hits the market. Rumors suggest a massive leap in performance with better pricing. If the rumors are true, the value of Turing cards could drop precipitously.

With that said, the RTX 2080S is a pretty substantial upgrade over a GTX 980 Ti. You wouldn't be disappointed with the performance and might not even feel compelled to upgrade when Ampere comes out. It should be available by the end of the year. Nvidia finally has competition from AMD so they can't sit on their hands like they did with Turing.

PWM does mean 4-pin connector, yes. I would rather have fans where I'm in control of their speed/noise. Looking at pictures of that motherboard on Newegg, there's at least six 4-pin fan headers on the board. I didn't see any 3-pin headers.

As I'm staying at 1080p gaming the 2080 Super should be good for atleast 2-3years as i see it - so maybe its the best buy for me now and in few years if i ever need i can always upgrade it


I do not understand really well the terms of PWM / FLX so that might be the issue but i will get few of those fans you suggested to get better temps in the case


the last year been horrible for me - I'm playing Apex on low settings and in plenty areas i get fps drops and you can feel your mouse going slower hurting my aim and i also cant use some weapons because they require fast movements and flawless fps but i still manage to rank up and enjoy the game - so I'm kinda excited to build the pc already..




If you dont see anything else worth changing i guess my only last question is - Which 2080 Super to go with? Does it even matter? ASUS/Gigabyte/EVGA/MSI - they are all reliable and my main concern is temps/noise levels as i think the diffrence between each is probably just 3-5% fps gain
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Graphic's card resell unless you live in Canada is crap

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I am partial toward EVGA due to their customer service if I ever need it. In general, it doesn't matter which card you get. They all perform similarly. Just get one with a cooling solution you like. If the MSI card you want is priced similarly to other options, go with that one.

I would personally aim for more affordable RAM. Chasing performance through RAM is somewhat foolish. There's diminishing returns the higher you get with frequency. Usually 3600 MHz would be enough.

If you need a 1 TB NVMe SSD, there's better options for the money. The Samsung 970 Evo Plus is a very good drive, but you're unlikely to notice the difference between that and something like a regular 970 Evo or HP EX950. If you're hoping to gain an advantage by gaming from an NVMe SSD, there won't be one. If it's going to be your OS drive, I would consider either a smaller capacity or more affordable drive. If you can afford the Samsung drive, by all means go for it. They at least have an incredible reputation when it comes to reliability so I personally feel better buying their products.

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I would recommend changing the PSU to something like the seasonic prime, why not just check the d15 chromax or the arctic liquid freezer II 280 if you want an AIO.

Regarding the GPU like chessmyantidrug said just get the cheapest version of the GPU unless there are specific requirements, my 2080 super black (Cheapest EVGA) boost to 2075 and runs very cool and quite. got it for $680.

The 10700k is basicly a 9900k, so if you are not planning to upgrade the cpu to the next gen anytime soon after its released I would check the z390/9900k market and see if I can snag something cheaper.

There are a lot of good SSDs for cheaper and to say the truth you won't notice any difference between a cheap NVME and an expensive one for gaming, Hell I even run all my games from the m.2 sata wd blue and I can't even notice the difference.

The ram is a tricky thing not every game will benefit from ram much faster than 3600mhz but there are some outliers that actually get a couple of "low 1%" frames with faster ram.

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With Z490 on the horizon, I wouldn't consider going Z390. In both scenarios, you're waiting so you might as well wait for the motherboard that probably has a CPU upgrade path. Performance would be comparable with an i9-9900K, but you're probably not going to be saving enough money to consider it.

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Only issue with samsung m.2 is they get pretty hot so count on getting a decent heat sink
They do hit or exceed advertised read/ write spec's though so safe bet there.

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