Overclocking 10900k results, bins and discussion - Page 13 - Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community
Forum Jump: 

Overclocking 10900k results, bins and discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #121 of 441 (permalink) Old 05-23-2020, 12:57 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 59
Rep: 15 (Unique: 8)
Bios shows the vid readback from proc at that ratio with 0.01 acdcll plus tvb volt opt dis, so it is consistent regardless of temp

In any case I think actual numbers are only good for comparing proc vs proc cos the actual vout is susceptible to other factors such as load, llc etc . What you may wanna do in adaptive mod is to lower each point from small point to big point to be at absolute vmin at each freq. You can do that easier with the aisuite tool cos it will block you from setting a non monotonic setting or just remind yourself to not set a bigger point with a lower resultant vid (vid at that point plus the offset val)

Last edited by shamino1978; 05-23-2020 at 01:41 AM.
shamino1978 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #122 of 441 (permalink) Old 05-23-2020, 03:13 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
reflex75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 133
Rep: 1 (Unique: 1)
Quote: Originally Posted by shamino1978 View Post
What you may wanna do in adaptive mod is to lower each point from small point to big point to be at absolute vmin at each freq. You can do that easier with the aisuite tool cos it will block you from setting a non monotonic setting or just remind yourself to not set a bigger point with a lower resultant vid (vid at that point plus the offset val)
Hello Shamino, thank you for sharing your knowledge with the community, it's a nice way to help us and promote Asus brand which is my favorite for Motherboards
Now I am wondering what is the benefit of this new method compare to the standard "adaptive+offset"?
On my current Asus M XI Hero with 9900ks, I use this adaptive voltage with negative offset to be stable at the max boost clock with minimum voltage (keep some safety)
What's the benefit to marginally lower voltage at 3.5Ghz or 4.3Ghz?
The CPU is almost cold at this lower frequencies, so a little more or less voltage won't do anything.
What's missing is a help to find the best LLC for the minimum load voltage stability.
I spend hours/days to test each LLC to find the highest one which does not add transient response penalty!
Moreover, OC is temperature dependent, so you can implement some OC algorithm dependent on the load temperature by fixing the max CPU allowed temperature.
For instance, my daily OC is 5.2Ghz all cores.
But my CPU can also do 5.3Ghz at the same settings for low to middle work load (gaming), but not stable for stress tests at higher temperature (+90°c).
But if I set max core temperature at 90°c, then I become stable at all load levels and temperature, even with the most heavy crazy avx stress test because frequency/voltage/temperature decrease at 90°c and I don't crash. So I have peace of mind and can enjoy 5.3Ghz with all the rest (until 90°c) such as gaming
reflex75 is offline  
post #123 of 441 (permalink) Old 05-23-2020, 03:58 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 59
Rep: 15 (Unique: 8)
Quote: Originally Posted by reflex75 View Post
Hello Shamino, thank you for sharing your knowledge with the community, it's a nice way to help us and promote Asus brand which is my favorite for Motherboards
Now I am wondering what is the benefit of this new method compare to the standard "adaptive+offset"?
On my current Asus M XI Hero with 9900ks, I use this adaptive voltage with negative offset to be stable at the max boost clock with minimum voltage (keep some safety)
What's the benefit to marginally lower voltage at 3.5Ghz or 4.3Ghz?
The CPU is almost cold at this lower frequencies, so a little more or less voltage won't do anything.
What's missing is a help to find the best LLC for the minimum load voltage stability.
I spend hours/days to test each LLC to find the highest one which does not add transient response penalty!
Moreover, OC is temperature dependent, so you can implement some OC algorithm dependent on the load temperature by fixing the max CPU allowed temperature.
For instance, my daily OC is 5.2Ghz all cores.
But my CPU can also do 5.3Ghz at the same settings for low to middle work load (gaming), but not stable for stress tests at higher temperature (+90°c).
But if I set max core temperature at 90°c, then I become stable at all load levels and temperature, even with the most heavy crazy avx stress test because frequency/voltage/temperature decrease at 90°c and I don't crash. So I have peace of mind and can enjoy 5.3Ghz with all the rest (until 90°c) such as gaming
close to none, if you already have a 'Legacy universal' negative offset, but the question is if this offset is truly bare minimum if you have to avoid being too low at 800mhz idle , typically the undervolting margin gets smaller at lower freq since the v is already very low to begin with. so maybe you could have applied even lower offset if u had it per point.
what u described can also be achieved somewhat similarly by setting by core usage, which is very useful in my opinion with the procs that have a default high boost freq, that way you can have a very customized vf curve across the 5ghz +/- range. the points on say a 10600k would have a big gap in comparison so say with a 53x oc, after the 48x point you can only customize the 53x point and 48x point but not in between. iirc pcode tries to draw a line between the 2 points to decide on the vid in between these 2 points, still not bad.
shamino1978 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #124 of 441 (permalink) Old 05-23-2020, 04:04 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
GAN77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 255
Rep: 2 (Unique: 2)
shamino1978,

Thank you for the detailed information!
What frequency of VRM Switching Frequency (KHz) do you recommend for Apex XII 16(16+0)*70A (TDA21472)?

Last edited by GAN77; 05-23-2020 at 04:22 AM.
GAN77 is online now  
post #125 of 441 (permalink) Old 05-23-2020, 04:07 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 59
Rep: 15 (Unique: 8)
i didnt see much of a diff for my watercooled tests 300 vs 800, altho i set them to 800 as a habit for ln2 tests. you can let me know if u see a diff in v required when u play with it.
shamino1978 is offline  
post #126 of 441 (permalink) Old 05-23-2020, 04:09 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
robertr1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 318
Rep: 13 (Unique: 9)
Can someone test switching frequency on Z490 apex please?

on Z390 apex, 500khz extreme/extreme was best at delivering the best vmin under load as it got progressively worse going all the way upto 1000khz. 1k was terrible and needed an extra 30mv+ to keep same stability as 500khz. Going below 500khz wasn't possible with bios 1401 and above. VRM temps were not a factor as there was fan on them in all testing.

run p95 small avx at whatever thermals you can handle in your setup.

@shamino1978 maybe you can comment on this?

Last edited by robertr1; 05-23-2020 at 08:01 AM.
robertr1 is online now  
post #127 of 441 (permalink) Old 05-23-2020, 04:22 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
GAN77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 255
Rep: 2 (Unique: 2)
shamino1978,

Thank you for your reply!
GAN77 is online now  
post #128 of 441 (permalink) Old 05-23-2020, 05:52 AM
Overclocker in training
 
ThrashZone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Texas
Posts: 11,546
Rep: 170 (Unique: 103)
Hi,
HWBOT
Cinebench R20 leader board results
Most 10900k/ KFC on LN down to 5th
One on dry ice and couple on chillers on 7900x
Only 8-10 say on water loops & Jpmboy on his dead 9900x at 10th

So yeah lets see some subs on aio/ clc or water loops air what ever

https://www.overclock.net/forum/21-b...20-scores.html
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	10900k-kfc hwbot subs.PNG
Views:	13
Size:	35.5 KB
ID:	348538  


CPU
i9-9940x With Optimus Foundation copper-plexi and Heatkiller VRM copper-plexi water block
Motherboard
ASUS x299 Rampage VI Apex
GPU
Titan Xp with copper-plexi Water Block
RAM
Trident Z 3600C16 4x8gb's b-die default timings 16-16-16-36
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500gb M.2/ Samsung 850 Pro 256gb for os and 500gb evo for favorite games plus other wd hdd's for data and backup's
Optical Drive
LG Blu-Ray WH16NS40
Power Supply
evga 1200-P2
Cooling
D5 pump reservoir combo/ GTX280/ VRM block/ GTX280/ D5 top/ CPU block/ GPU block/ Mora 360/ repeat.
Cooling
MO-RA3 360 PRO stainless steel (25022)
Case
corsair 450D with added 2nd floor to house radiator on top
Operating System
Win-7 pro & 10 pro Win-7 Primary os.
Monitor
ASUS VG248QE 24" 144Hz
Keyboard
Logitech G910 Orion spectrum
Mouse
Redragon Perdition
Audio
Built in realtek and Insignia 2.0 soundbar HSB318
Other
5.0/https://valid.x86.fr/ez2ifr
CPU
i7-5930k with Heatkiller IV Pro Plexi-Copper and koolance vrm water blocks
Motherboard
X99 Sabertooth
GPU
EVGA 1080ti FTW3 with Water block
RAM
Trident-Z 3200C14 4x8gb's b-die default timings 14-14-14-34
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo 500gb M.2/ Samsung 850 Pro 256gb for os and 500gb evo for favorite games plus other wd hdd's for data and backup's
Optical Drive
LG Blu-Ray WH16NS40
Power Supply
EVGA 1000-P2
Cooling
D5 reservior combo/ 240GTX/ Koolance VRM block/ 240GTX/ D5 Top/ CPU block/ Gpu block/ Mora 360LT/ back to reservoir
Cooling
Mora 360LT black 25000
Case
Corsair 450D with added 2nd floor to house radiator on top
Operating System
Win-7 and 10 pro Win-7 Primary os.
Monitor
AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz
Keyboard
Logitech G710+
Mouse
Red Dragon Perdition
Audio
Built in realtek and Insignia 2.0 soundbar HSB318
CPU
10900k batch # X016E724
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 evo 500gb
Power Supply
EVGA 1000P2
Case
Corsair 450D
Operating System
VapeWild RazzleBerry 50-50-0mg nic
▲ hide details ▲

Last edited by ThrashZone; 05-23-2020 at 06:05 AM.
ThrashZone is offline  
post #129 of 441 (permalink) Old 05-23-2020, 08:52 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
newls1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Atlanta GA
Posts: 1,649
Rep: 40 (Unique: 29)
Can someone please tell me if this is a safe OC for the given VID of the cores, Vcore, and SA/IO voltages while system is 100% under stress test load. Temps are a NON-ISSUE as this water setup is way overkill, and my VRM temp makes me giggle. Am I safe??? Thanks
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	10900k OC.png
Views:	92
Size:	539.6 KB
ID:	348574  


**Intel System** Asus Z390E Strix / 8700k @ 4.85Ghz / 32GB BDie @ 3200 CL14 / PowerColor 5700XT / eVGA 850w PSU / Sammy 960 EVO m.2 / MX500 250gb games SSD / 49" Samsung UltraWide 144Hz

**Games Only** Asus Maximus Formula XII / i9 10900k @ 5.2GHz / 32gb 4x8GB Patriot Viper DDR4 4400 @ 4000MTs / 2080Ti / Everything watercooled using Dual Loops and many 420mm rads


newls1 is offline  
post #130 of 441 (permalink) Old 05-23-2020, 09:33 AM - Thread Starter
Facepalm
 
Falkentyne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Riverside
Posts: 7,429
Rep: 443 (Unique: 308)
Quote: Originally Posted by newls1 View Post
Can someone please tell me if this is a safe OC for the given VID of the cores, Vcore, and SA/IO voltages while system is 100% under stress test load. Temps are a NON-ISSUE as this water setup is way overkill, and my VRM temp makes me giggle. Am I safe??? Thanks
170A @ 1.252v ...

Max VID=1.520v without SVID VRM offset mode (command 33h disabled),
Max IOUT=245A
VRM Loadline: 1.1 mOhm

1520mv - (1.1 mOhm * 170A)=1333mv=1.333v.

You're safe with 80mv of leeway. Good job.

[email protected] ghz, RX Vega 64, 32GB DDR4, Gigabyte Aorus Master, Seasonic Platinum 1000W, Corsair 760T
Alt: MSI GT73VR Throttlebook with 7820HK @ 4.7 ghz, GTX 1070 MXM TDP mod to 230W, 32 GB RAM

Quote: Originally Posted by sakete View Post
Well, I want you to know I have an academic degree in speculation.
Falkentyne is online now  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 3 (1 members and 2 guests)
Carillo
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off