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post #2031 of 2212 (permalink) Old 08-01-2020, 05:19 AM
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probably a stupid question, but can someone explain simplified what "PLL Bandwidth" in BIOS or "CPU PLLs OC" in HWinfo is, what it is good for and what benefits raising it to level 1 or level 2 would have?

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post #2032 of 2212 (permalink) Old 08-01-2020, 09:52 AM
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LINX 0.9.7 Memory 1T performance is really strong.
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That's a pretty good memory overclock off the bat. Voltage is fine but you need to check all the memory voltages.
I think you should start by reading the memory overclock tutorial linked in my sig. There is too much to say here
There is also a memory overclocking thread https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-in...ty-thread.html
First of all, thank you for your attention.

I made some changes based on the guide, I managed to lower the latency a bit by setting the txp to 4. This is going through the cinebench, in the real bench 2.56, I played battlefield v too, but in the memory stability tests it points out errors.

I'm putting the prints that I took from both bios and aida 64, could you help me how can I make this better? So far I haven't noticed anything abnormal, blue screen and etc ... However, the memory test has quick errors.

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Quote: Originally Posted by joyzao View Post
First of all, thank you for your attention.

I made some changes based on the guide, I managed to lower the latency a bit by setting the txp to 4. This is going through the cinebench, in the real bench 2.56, I played battlefield v too, but in the memory stability tests it points out errors.

I'm putting the prints that I took from both bios and aida 64, could you help me how can I make this better? So far I haven't noticed anything abnormal, blue screen and etc ... However, the memory test has quick errors.

Thank you.

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There really is no shortcut to memory overclocking
You can just do some basic stuff but you still have to stability test and correct the voltages yourself
The important thing is to download the correct tools for fast identification of problems so you can correct them.
Even better if you can do it from windows without having to boot to the bios.For Asus there is Memtweakit and TurboV-core. Not sure if they will work for you.
You should be running HWinfo64 and Asrock Timing Configurator to monitor everything
If you are getting errors you could be corrupting your OS so prepare a good way to reload quickly with a OS drive clone preferably

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Quote: Originally Posted by safedisk View Post
CPU : 10900K
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SP 106
WATER TEMP 16c
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VCCSA 1.59v
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LINX 0.9.7 Memory 1T performance is really strong.
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Nice chip sp 106
That's some pretty high memory overclocking with voltages not for the feint of heart
You must be safedisk the legend

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Quote: Originally Posted by safedisk View Post
CPU : 10900K
MB : ROG MAXIMUS XII APEX 0088 BIOS
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SP 106
WATER TEMP 16c
CPU Clock 53 / Cache 50
VCORE 1.29V LLC 6
VCCSA 1.59v
VCCIO 1.5v

LINX 0.9.7 Memory 1T performance is really strong.
GFLOPS 700 EASY
Where do u buy 16c water at?
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Quote: Originally Posted by safedisk View Post
CPU : 10900K
MB : ROG MAXIMUS XII APEX 0088 BIOS
RAM : G.SKILL TRIDENT Z ROYAL 4000CL15 8Gx2

SP 106
WATER TEMP 16c
CPU Clock 53 / Cache 50
VCORE 1.29V LLC 6
VCCSA 1.59v
VCCIO 1.5v

LINX 0.9.7 Memory 1T performance is really strong.
GFLOPS 700 EASY
Amazing memory OC!
I knew Apex was legendary for high mem frequency, but keeping CR 1T at 4800Mhz?!!
My XI Hero stops 1T at only 3733Mhz, and max out at 4400
I am very curious to see your Aida benchmark result!
By the way, I have the same great memory but 4x8, so at least I have something better compared to the great Apex board with only 2 Dimm slots
Because 2x8GB is not enough and not future proof as best gaming rig, and 2x16 is too slow compared to 4x8, so best for me is still 4x8 T-topology board.
And if I can't reach higher frequency, at least I can play lower latency
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Has anyone tried liquid gallium vs conductonaunt? 40.3 vs 70.6 but the seller says liquid gallium is better. I bet if it is better, its just 1c. I plan to test it out on my gpu but too busy lately so did not have time for it.
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Has anyone tried liquid gallium vs conductonaunt? 40.3 vs 70.6 but the seller says liquid gallium is better. I bet if it is better, its just 1c. I plan to test it out on my gpu but too busy lately so did not have time for it.
There is NO SUCH THING as "Liquid gallium". Gallium is a solid at room temperature but it melts at about 30C. Gallium cannot be used as a raw thermal compound because it will harden and expand when it cools and will either completely destroy the die or will destroy the heat transfer properties when it hardens.

All Liquid metals (Gallium based alloys) that are suitable for CPU heat transfer cooling (not on aluminum heatsinks!!!!) are "Galinstan" alloys, consisting of Gallium (about 65%), Indium (about 25%) and Tin (about 10%). Some may contain trace (<2%) amounts of bismuth and antimony to help wetting (spreading) and anti-oxidation. Some commercial mixtures may have a higher indium content. Gallium by itself is only about 40 w/mk, and cannot be used by itself.

Eutectic alloys like Galinstan have their W/mk *Lower* than the lowest w/mk metal in the mixture. So while Indium is 82 w/mk and Tin is 67 w/mk, Gallium, the most plentiful component is 40.5 w/mk, and mixing these three metals together lowers the melting point of the metal that melts at the lowest temp (Gallium --at about 30C), to around 0 to -8C. But the heat transfer properties of the "Galinstan" compound will be *substantially* lower than 40.5 W/mk !! It's more like 25-30 w/mk in actuality.

Anyone that tries to tell you otherwise is full of **CRAP**. Even Thermal Grizzly lies about their w/mk levels, so does Thermalright Silver King. (Silver King uses the indium w/mk rating).

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That's some pretty high memory overclocking with voltages not for the feint of heart
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Thank you bro!
Low voltage It is a really good memory.

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