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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 06-07-2020, 02:45 AM - Thread Starter
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Seeking Build Advice

Well, I've decided to do my 2nd build (at the worst possible time like everyone else it seems lol) and I've got it narrowed down to two combinations and need some advice before I pull the trigger. Either I'm going i5 9600K/GTX 1660Ti OR i7 9700K/using the GTX 970 that I already own, and upgrade the GPU to something newer like a 2060 (Super) down the road. I'm seeing CPU and GPU bottlenecks in some games with my current 6 year old setup but I don't have the $$$ to go all out right now. What would you do? Here are the two builds I'm considering.... Any suggestions welcome!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VW4LgJ $1,147

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t8ZbHB $1,261

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Gigabyte GTX 970
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CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory
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Toshiba 3.5" 2TB 7200 RPM SATA3/SATA 6.0 GB/s 64MB Hard Drive DT01ACA200
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Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD
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Toshiba 2.5" MK2555GSX 250GB
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2X Prolima Blue Vortex 120mm
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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 06-07-2020, 03:18 AM
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Neither of those CPUs is worth considering with the i5-10600K on the market. It's out of stock most places, but it performs identically to the i7-9700K. I would also go with the GTX 1660 Super since it performs similarly to the GTX 1660 Ti in a lot of games. Another option is stepping up to the RTX 2060 or staying at the same price point with the RX 5600 XT. The GTX 1660 Ti is in a very weird spot price-wise.

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Quote: Originally Posted by chessmyantidrug View Post
Neither of those CPUs is worth considering with the i5-10600K on the market. It's out of stock most places, but it performs identically to the i7-9700K. I would also go with the GTX 1660 Super since it performs similarly to the GTX 1660 Ti in a lot of games. Another option is stepping up to the RTX 2060 or staying at the same price point with the RX 5600 XT. The GTX 1660 Ti is in a very weird spot price-wise.
I know the 10600K is out but I only included components that I can actually get my hands on right now or that will be available within two weeks for shipment. Slim pickings. I'm really not trying to go much over $1,200 total, so that kind of puts the 2060 out of reach for me right now. I didn't know there was a 1660 super, will have to look into that. If I reuse my 970 I'm going to be missing out on tons of performance short term, until I can eventually slap a 2060 in there with that i7. If I go i5/1660(ti) (super) I'll have a long term mid tier build, but I'm not sure that's really worth the performance gains i'll see over my current system. Hence my dilemma!

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Gigabyte Z87X-HD3
GPU
Gigabyte GTX 970
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CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory
Hard Drive
Toshiba 3.5" 2TB 7200 RPM SATA3/SATA 6.0 GB/s 64MB Hard Drive DT01ACA200
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Corsair CX750 750W Power Supply
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Corsair H110 Hydro Series High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
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Corsair H60
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4X Corsair SP140mm
Cooling
4X Apevia 120mm
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2X Prolima Blue Vortex 120mm
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GPU COOL H60 pump bracket https://www.overclock.net/t/1501480/the-artisan-store/0_30
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GPU COOL GTX 970 backplate https://www.overclock.net/t/1501480/the-artisan-store/0_30
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I think it would be worth waiting. The i5-9600K isn't really worth considering, even at $200. Going with R5 3600 makes a lot more sense. And it's hard to recommend the i7-9700K when you get the same performance from an i5-10600K. I would rather wait for the better part. If you want to buy something immediately, an R7 3700X would make more sense. It's the same price point as the i5-10600K with comparable gaming performance.

You listed a $300 GTX 1660 Ti in one build. You can get an EVGA RTX 2060 KO for the same price, though stock comes and goes quite frequently since it's a popular card at that price point. You can also grab a Gigabyte RTX 2060 ITX card for the same $300 and it is in stock.

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Quote: Originally Posted by chessmyantidrug View Post
I think it would be worth waiting. The i5-9600K isn't really worth considering, even at $200. Going with R5 3600 makes a lot more sense. And it's hard to recommend the i7-9700K when you get the same performance from an i5-10600K. I would rather wait for the better part. If you want to buy something immediately, an R7 3700X would make more sense. It's the same price point as the i5-10600K with comparable gaming performance.

You listed a $300 GTX 1660 Ti in one build. You can get an EVGA RTX 2060 KO for the same price, though stock comes and goes quite frequently since it's a popular card at that price point. You can also grab a Gigabyte RTX 2060 ITX card for the same $300 and it is in stock.
The more I think about it the more I'm tempted to wait for the 10600K. Sure, it's got the same number of physical cores as the 9600K but the hyperthreading should really make a difference up top and squeeze and extra year or two out on longevity. The primary use for this rig is going to be gaming and some occasional streaming, both at 1080p for now. Who freaking knows when I'll be able to get my hands on one with the current state of the world though - whereas I can snatch up a 9600K off Amazon with no problem right now for just under $200! I did look into the 1660 Super you mentioned and thats a much better buy at it's price point than the 1660ti even though it might be a tiny bit less powerful. Maybe I'll wait another month, save a little bit more, and go 10600k paired with something in the RTX 2060-2070 range. It seems, in this situation, a few more bucks will get me a lot more bang.

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Intel Core i5 4670K 4.6Ghz 1.34vcore
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z87X-HD3
GPU
Gigabyte GTX 970
RAM
CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory
Hard Drive
Toshiba 3.5" 2TB 7200 RPM SATA3/SATA 6.0 GB/s 64MB Hard Drive DT01ACA200
Hard Drive
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD
Hard Drive
Toshiba 2.5" MK2555GSX 250GB
Hard Drive
Seagate Barracuda ST3000DM001 3TB
Optical Drive
Asus 24x DVD±RW Drive DVD-RAM/±R/±RW 24x 8x 16x (DVD) 48x 32x 48x (CD)
Power Supply
Corsair CX750 750W Power Supply
Cooling
Corsair H110 Hydro Series High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
Cooling
Corsair H60
Cooling
4X Corsair SP140mm
Cooling
4X Apevia 120mm
Cooling
2X Prolima Blue Vortex 120mm
Cooling
GPU COOL H60 pump bracket https://www.overclock.net/t/1501480/the-artisan-store/0_30
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GPU COOL GTX 970 backplate https://www.overclock.net/t/1501480/the-artisan-store/0_30
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There's no downside to waiting. Stock will eventually come back. Depending on how much you plan on streaming, the R7 3700X might be the better choice. I'm not sure how an i5-10600K with NVENC compares to streaming with an R7 3700X.

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Quote: Originally Posted by chessmyantidrug View Post
There's no downside to waiting. Stock will eventually come back. Depending on how much you plan on streaming, the R7 3700X might be the better choice. I'm not sure how an i5-10600K with NVENC compares to streaming with an R7 3700X.
Idk, I'm worried about that. I read that intel was having major shortage issues with the 14nm chips months before the Corona lockdowns. I'm also curious as to how they compare streaming as well, but that's not really that big of an issue for me as I could always dedicate my current 4670k rig to handle any streaming loads..... I can feel the heat already. lol

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Intel Core i5 4670K 4.6Ghz 1.34vcore
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Gigabyte Z87X-HD3
GPU
Gigabyte GTX 970
RAM
CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory
Hard Drive
Toshiba 3.5" 2TB 7200 RPM SATA3/SATA 6.0 GB/s 64MB Hard Drive DT01ACA200
Hard Drive
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD
Hard Drive
Toshiba 2.5" MK2555GSX 250GB
Hard Drive
Seagate Barracuda ST3000DM001 3TB
Optical Drive
Asus 24x DVD±RW Drive DVD-RAM/±R/±RW 24x 8x 16x (DVD) 48x 32x 48x (CD)
Power Supply
Corsair CX750 750W Power Supply
Cooling
Corsair H110 Hydro Series High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
Cooling
Corsair H60
Cooling
4X Corsair SP140mm
Cooling
4X Apevia 120mm
Cooling
2X Prolima Blue Vortex 120mm
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GPU COOL H60 pump bracket https://www.overclock.net/t/1501480/the-artisan-store/0_30
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Intel has been having supply issues since Skylake, so almost five years. It will be back in stock eventually, just like every 14nm CPU Intel released before it.

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I would agree with the others on going 10600K...almost at the 10900K level on the gaming front and will overclock very well. If you can wait, it would be the better option.

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