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post #11 of 39 (permalink) Old 06-15-2020, 11:21 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by cstkl1 View Post
Small fft. Disable avx/avx2
I don't mean to discourage you but I'd start crying if I had those temps with AVX disabled.

But then again, I don't use air cooling so I don't know if such temps are what should be expected or not.

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I didn't hit the 100°C mark this time. However, one thread was never at 100%, not sure if this is normal.
It's not normal, it means one worker died.
Test failed.

Your focus in HWiNFO64 should also concern WHEA errors.
Their absence are a marker of increased stability.

WHEA and workers should be watched in parallel when running Prime95 with or without AVX.

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Thanks for your replies !

So I started with the second option (300 khz / 1.30v / Turbo)
On idle I was at 1.293V for VR OUT :



However, as soon as I started Small FFTs I've got a blue screen.




I tried the other option (300 khz / 1.360v / High)
On idle 1.342V :







5-10 minutes of Small FFTs 1.213V :



I didn't hit the 100°C mark this time. However, one thread was never at 100%, not sure if this is normal.






Unfortunately it seems mine was not stable even at 1.30V according to the first test

VCCIO seems to be at 0.946V and VCCSA at 1.044V according to HWiNFO64 (that's the correct lines to check right?).
Should i change them now? I'm planning to activate xmp or overclock manually my ram after the CPU is stable, so i will probably have to change them later right?

Anyway thanks for your help everyone.
So i'm not sure if the records seems ok to you. Should i proceed to a longer "Small FFTs" or there is something fishy ?
You're already at the amp limit and you're past 90C. At this point just give up trying to make AVX small FFT stable. It's impossible and there's absolutely no point in doing it except to win the internet/reddit popularity approval contest. Also if one thread were never at 100%, you either crashed and were unstable, or the thread stalled instantly on starting, which has nothing to do with stability (this is a common problem especially if you run prime95 within 5 minutes of a reboot--only affects AVX/FMA3 and I do not know why). Give up on small FFT AVX testing until you delid and shave down the die about 0.2mm (if you're resealing with LM and the IHS), and just stick to 4 hours of Realbench 2.56 stress test. If you get no CPU Cache L0 errors in HWinfo64, you're stable. Call it a day and chill.

Also,

You can try resizing your windows so you can actaully see which thread stalls on startup (stalled thread--means no calculation windows appears, just says "worker starting" at 0% load).
BTW what no one knows is, if you get a stalled thread (stalled, not crashed), it actually corrupts the prime95 process so closing the program doesn't close it. You need to open task manager and click "End task" on prime95.

And do yourself a favor and take the time to resize your prime95 windows. However, to avoid losing your settings, after you resize them, make a backup of the prime95 folder, or copy the 2 files prime.txt and local.txt and put them someplace else because they have your custom layouts.

Here's one for 10C/20T at 1080p. It's much easier on larger resolutions too.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Kargeras View Post
Is that with AVX2 enabled or disabled?

What version of Prime95 are you using?
Version 29.8 build 6 is the latest and this should be used.
It has the option to disable AVX2 and AVX1 via mouse click now before starting any test.

Your are right I was using Prime95 Version 27.9 Build 1, so AVX was probably ON.

I tried again with version 29.8b6 with AVX/AVX2 off.

The first test that crashed before (300 khz / 1.30v / Turbo) didn't crash this time. VR OUT is 1.238V :




And i tried the other option again too (300 khz / 1.360v / High). VR OUT is 1.236V :




Both seems better, especially heat. However, i'm not sure how good these values are nor if it's stable.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
You're already at the amp limit and you're past 90C.
Isn't the amp limit 193, I'm seeing 156?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Kargeras View Post
Isn't the amp limit 193, I'm seeing 156?
I saw 190A amps(max) and 185A (current) on his screenshot. Did you look at 'maximum' ? And are you sure you're looking at the right screenshot?

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Quote: Originally Posted by khall View Post
Both seems better, especially heat. However, i'm not sure how good these values are nor if it's stable.
Again, I'm not going to express any thoughts on the heat because I'm using an AIO.
It's very important to get correct reference points and I'm not able to help you here.

About "stable"... now this is a pickle.
Everyone has their own definition of that word so you might as well come up with your own version of it too.


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Quote: Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
I saw 190A amps(max) and 185A (current) on his screenshot. Did you look at 'maximum' ? And are you sure you're looking at the right screenshot?
My bad, apologies.

He has "Average" tab enabled which I have disabled and my eyes just misread that as max.
Was probably looking at another screenshot too.

Reviewed them and your read is correct.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
You're already at the amp limit and you're past 90C. At this point just give up trying to make AVX small FFT stable. It's impossible and there's absolutely no point in doing it except to win the internet/reddit popularity approval contest. Also if one thread were never at 100%, you either crashed and were unstable, or the thread stalled instantly on starting, which has nothing to do with stability (this is a common problem especially if you run prime95 within 5 minutes of a reboot--only affects AVX/FMA3 and I do not know why). Give up on small FFT AVX testing until you delid and shave down the die about 0.2mm (if you're resealing with LM and the IHS), and just stick to 4 hours of Realbench 2.56 stress test. If you get no CPU Cache L0 errors in HWinfo64, you're stable. Call it a day and chill.

Also,

You can try resizing your windows so you can actaully see which thread stalls on startup (stalled thread--means no calculation windows appears, just says "worker starting" at 0% load).
BTW what no one knows is, if you get a stalled thread (stalled, not crashed), it actually corrupts the prime95 process so closing the program doesn't close it. You need to open task manager and click "End task" on prime95.

And do yourself a favor and take the time to resize your prime95 windows. However, to avoid losing your settings, after you resize them, make a backup of the prime95 folder, or copy the 2 files prime.txt and local.txt and put them someplace else because they have your custom layouts.

Here's one for 10C/20T at 1080p. It's much easier on larger resolutions too.



Thanks for these informations.
Sorry, it's was not my intention, I just didn't know i had to disable AVX.

So as soon as i can i will do a 4 hours stress test with Realbench 2.56 like you said and check that i have
no error in HWiNFO (right now i only have a "Total Errors" line under WHEA but i guess it get populated
with details when errors occurs.)
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Quote: Originally Posted by Kargeras View Post
Again, I'm not going to express any thoughts on the heat because I'm using an AIO.
It's very important to get correct reference points and I'm not able to help you here.

About "stable"... now this is a pickle.
Everyone has their own definition of that word so you might as well come up with your own version of it too.


For the heat it's probably pretty high even for air cooling, because the Noctua NH-D15 is supposed to be one of the best air cooler. But it's probably much lower in games so it's ok i guess.

Ahah yeah i guess everyone has their own definition ^^. What i need is that my computer doesn't crash due to something i changed in the bios. I will do the stress test recommended by Falkentyne to ensure that.
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That temperature is way way too high for a D15. Mounts not good or the IHS is warped bad. Remount and check paste contact and use a good paste.

On 1.229v VR VOut with AVX you should be seeing high 80's to low 90s and without AVX high 70's to low 80's.

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