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Quote: Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
Ever since 9900KS binning, the # of 9900K chips that can reach 5 ghz on less than 1.40v dropped drastically.
The numbers have slowly increased but they're still lower than what they were a year ago. Keep that in mind.
I've seen quite a few 9900k chips that could not do 5 ghz *at all*, below 1.40v set in BIOS (1.35v load).

So don't assume it's his cooling or IHS. And 9900K was quite common for having 15C core temp delta in AVX prime95.
So then, do you think the voltage is fine, but it's normal have higher temps in this cpu at 5GHz?

Edit. I don't feel bad for the voltages than I have on base on this graphic (MSI's test)
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I'm using a rockit cool direct die kit with the ek evo supremacy block on a evga z390 dark. I used the included water block stand offs, I just removed the white plastic washers that go between the stand offs and motherboard. Rockit cooling has a youtube video on how to install the direct die with the Ek evo.

Have you tried a lower voltage ? Your Vid is so much lower than what voltage your running. My 9900KS has a VID of about 1.24vs @ 5ghz during a cinebench r15 run, however my chip is 5ghz, 8hr Real bench stable with a bios voltage setting of 1.2vs using +25% vdroop setting. Ive tested 3 9900k's, 2 9900KS's, and they all could do 5ghz at or below the listed vid.
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Well I set [email protected] When I ran P95 works does't stop, but temps increase +85, and two cores stoped for TT 99°. The D5 and NF-A12x25PWM worked at full speed, and InWin Sirius loop too.
P95, what version and what test?

What is your AVX offset if using AVX version?

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So then, do you think the voltage is fine, but it's normal have higher temps in this cpu at 5GHz?

Edit. I don't feel bad for the voltages than I have on base on this graphic (MSI's test)
What is the MSI test?

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What is the MSI test?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Placekicker19 View Post
I'm using a rockit cool direct die kit with the ek evo supremacy block on a evga z390 dark. I used the included water block stand offs, I just removed the white plastic washers that go between the stand offs and motherboard. Rockit cooling has a youtube video on how to install the direct die with the Ek evo.

Have you tried a lower voltage ? Your Vid is so much lower than what voltage your running. My 9900KS has a VID of about 1.24vs @ 5ghz during a cinebench r15 run, however my chip is 5ghz, 8hr Real bench stable with a bios voltage setting of 1.2vs using +25% vdroop setting. Ive tested 3 9900k's, 2 9900KS's, and they all could do 5ghz at or below the listed vid.
I'll check it, currently I ever use the washers.

And if I set the voltage on Auto, on stock P95 (v29.8) test the voltage peaks up to 1.310v, @1.24 works 4.7 all cores. My motherboard it's a MSI Z390 Cabron and have 8+4 EPS, but I only use it with 8pin. Maybe can down voltages if I plug in the 4pin?


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P95, what version and what test?

What is your AVX offset if using AVX version?

I also have RockitCool direct die kit on my Dark, with a Heatkiller IV Pro nickel block and ThermalGrizzly Conductonaut.
I attached the settings.



Quote: Originally Posted by Arctucas View Post
What is the MSI test?
The MSI's guide

https://www.msi.com/blog/intel-9th-c...0-motherboards
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Quote: Originally Posted by Placekicker19 View Post
I'm using a rockit cool direct die kit with the ek evo supremacy block on a evga z390 dark. I used the included water block stand offs, I just removed the white plastic washers that go between the stand offs and motherboard. Rockit cooling has a youtube video on how to install the direct die with the Ek evo.

Have you tried a lower voltage ? Your Vid is so much lower than what voltage your running. My 9900KS has a VID of about 1.24vs @ 5ghz during a cinebench r15 run, however my chip is 5ghz, 8hr Real bench stable with a bios voltage setting of 1.2vs using +25% vdroop setting. Ive tested 3 9900k's, 2 9900KS's, and they all could do 5ghz at or below the listed vid.
I'll check it, currently I ever use the washers.

And if I set the voltage on Auto, on stock P95 (v29.8) test the voltage peaks up to 1.310v, @1.24 works 4.7 all cores. My motherboard it's a MSI Z390 Cabron and have 8+4 EPS, but I only use it with 8pin. Maybe can down voltages if I plug in the 4pin?


Quote: Originally Posted by Arctucas View Post
P95, what version and what test?

What is your AVX offset if using AVX version?

I also have RockitCool direct die kit on my Dark, with a Heatkiller IV Pro nickel block and ThermalGrizzly Conductonaut.
I attached the settings.



Quote: Originally Posted by Arctucas View Post
What is the MSI test?
The MSI's guide

https://www.msi.com/blog/intel-9th-c...0-motherboards


You really shouldn't need the +4 cpu [email protected] that low of a power draw, the +8 should be plenty. The +4 power would only really benefit with extreme cooling pushing 1.5vs plus. Your temps are high and that plays a huge role in stability. Ive delidded 4 9900k's, 2 of which had awful temps (80c+) @ stock clocks on 480m radiator with nothing else in the loop. The delid brought the temps down to 65-68c so I know all soldering isnt equal and you may benefit greatly from a delid and even more with direct die cooling.

What are your temps @ stock clocks running cinebench r15 5 runs consecutively, or 15min of real bench? What load line level are you using on the msi board? I also have a msi meg ace and found level 4 the best performing. Could you try 1.35vs, load line level 4, @ 5ghz and try a 15 minute real bench 2.56 stress test? Make sure your not throwing any L0 cache errors in hwinfo.
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Quote: Originally Posted by El Media Vida View Post
I'll check it, currently I ever use the washers.

And if I set the voltage on Auto, on stock P95 (v29.8) test the voltage peaks up to 1.310v, @1.24 works 4.7 all cores. My motherboard it's a MSI Z390 Cabron and have 8+4 EPS, but I only use it with 8pin. Maybe can down voltages if I plug in the 4pin?




I attached the settings.





The MSI's guide

https://www.msi.com/blog/intel-9th-c...0-motherboards
Thanks for the settings, and the link to MSI page.

'Quick' 1 hour run of P95. 1.225VCore in BIOS, Adaptive, -25% less VDroop (not sure what LLC setting that equates to, but maybe some knows).
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What are your temps @ stock clocks running cinebench r15 5 runs consecutively, or 15min of real bench? What load line level are you using on the msi board? I also have a msi meg ace and found level 4 the best performing. Could you try 1.35vs, load line level 4, @ 5ghz and try a 15 minute real bench 2.56 stress test? Make sure your not throwing any L0 cache errors in hwinfo.
I do the test only at sotck for now, tomorrow I'll chech @ 5ghz.
The hwinfo ss it's for C-R15.

Edith. At stock P95 the voltage peaks 1.24
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