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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-29-2020, 05:46 AM - Thread Starter
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i7-10700k on Gigabyte Vision D - Temps

Looking for some help to combat a temp issue.

Background:
I recently upgraded to an i7-10700k on a Gigabyte Vision D board. I replaced an i5-7600k that was running solid at 4.6ghz on a Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 3 for a couple of years.

The only changes I made were 1.) bus clock multiplier (Auto to 50) and 2.) bumped the vcore to run fixed at 1.25v. No changes to EIST, boosts, Ring, etc.

Windows booted, CPU-Z bench and validator confirmed 5ghz on all cores, 70c at 1.248v, with 598 on single-core benchmark and 6073 on multi-core. Running Prime95 26.6 blended tests, I was hovering in upper 70's for 15-16 minutes. No errors or warnings. When Prime95 moved to the 800000 Lucas-Lehmer tests, temps jumped to mid-upper 80's. After 3 tests, I stopped. No errors/warnings. Technically safe, it's a little too hot for me. I tried to encode a 1080p video using Handbrake, and it also got up to mid-upper 80's. The CPU would idle around 32c-33c.

When I tried to change the voltage down to 1.23v, everything booted but the voltage was still reading 1.248v most of the time and only dropped to 1.23v when it was idling.

Any help and/or BIOS suggestions would be appreciated. It's been a while since I've really had to tinker with settings and am a little rusty, so I'd classify myself back in the semi-noob category. I'll admit that.

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Your temps look good. I have the Gigabyte Z490 Ultra on a 10700K at 5.1GHz all core and 1.3v fixed. My temps hit in Prime95 26.6 start at 60 degrees and then ramp to 70 degrees but I am using a 360mm AIO the Arctic Freezer II which has a thicker rad and is very good. As you are only using the Hyper 212, your temps are actually good.

Quote: Originally Posted by ezsdfl View Post
Looking for some help to combat a temp issue.

Background:
I recently upgraded to an i7-10700k on a Gigabyte Vision D board. I replaced an i5-7600k that was running solid at 4.6ghz on a Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 3 for a couple of years.

The only changes I made were 1.) bus clock multiplier (Auto to 50) and 2.) bumped the vcore to run fixed at 1.25v. No changes to EIST, boosts, Ring, etc.

Windows booted, CPU-Z bench and validator confirmed 5ghz on all cores, 70c at 1.248v, with 598 on single-core benchmark and 6073 on multi-core. Running Prime95 26.6 blended tests, I was hovering in upper 70's for 15-16 minutes. No errors or warnings. When Prime95 moved to the 800000 Lucas-Lehmer tests, temps jumped to mid-upper 80's. After 3 tests, I stopped. No errors/warnings. Technically safe, it's a little too hot for me. I tried to encode a 1080p video using Handbrake, and it also got up to mid-upper 80's. The CPU would idle around 32c-33c.

When I tried to change the voltage down to 1.23v, everything booted but the voltage was still reading 1.248v most of the time and only dropped to 1.23v when it was idling.

Any help and/or BIOS suggestions would be appreciated. It's been a while since I've really had to tinker with settings and am a little rusty, so I'd classify myself back in the semi-noob category. I'll admit that.

Phanteks Enthoo Pro M
Hyper 212 EVO Black RGB with dual Fans, with Master Gel Pro
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(1) 140mm Rear Fan
(1) 140mm Top Exhaust

Thanks in advance.

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Here is my Cinbench R20 run with temps and voltages
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Quote: Originally Posted by vMax65 View Post
Your temps look good. I have the Gigabyte Z490 Ultra on a 10700K at 5.1GHz all core and 1.3v fixed. My temps hit in Prime95 26.6 start at 60 degrees and then ramp to 70 degrees but I am using a 360mm AIO the Arctic Freezer II which has a thicker rad and is very good. As you are only using the Hyper 212, your temps are actually good.

Thanks for taking the time to respond and including your Cinebench results. That's helpful and reassuring.

I have a few BIOS setting questions:

  • For Loadline Calibration, should this be changed to "Turbo" ?
  • Ring Ratio... Leave it set to Auto or change it to -3 below the BusCLK Multiplier?
    • Granted, I never experienced errors or warnings in Prime95 when OC'ing to 5.0, by only changing VCore and the Multiplier.
  • I assume this is preference, but do you personally disable Speedstep and let the cores run at max or let them gear down?

I've adjusted the speeds of the fans to help increase airflow and will continue to tinker and see what happens. Thanks again.

To "The Pook", about my cooler... I get it; however, a friend of mine gave me the cooler and even provided the second fan; both new in box. Very nice gesture, so I realize I am pushing the limits, but it's what I have to work with. If there are any voltage, BIOS settings or other suggestions, please share.

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Hi and no problems at all..For LLC I have it set at Turbo which works for me as I am at 5.1GHz, for you I would set it one lower and just make sure you are stable in the Prime95 v26.6 run if not just move to Turbo to stop any vdroop.
On the Ring Ratio I tend to go 3 less than my max core and again just test to make sure you are stable.
As to speedstep etc, I always just leave it at auto as I like the CPU speed to drop when there is no load.
Other than that you are fine. On the vcore side, I do not like Auto as Gigabyte tend to blast a bit too much vcore when left to their own devices...

Finally a better CPU cooler in the future will help, a cost effective 240mm AIO or a better Air cooler will drop temps quite a bit. 240 AIO's have really come down in price so might be worth a look..


Quote: Originally Posted by ezsdfl View Post
Thanks for taking the time to respond and including your Cinebench results. That's helpful and reassuring.

I have a few BIOS setting questions:

  • For Loadline Calibration, should this be changed to "Turbo" ?
  • Ring Ratio... Leave it set to Auto or change it to -3 below the BusCLK Multiplier?
    • Granted, I never experienced errors or warnings in Prime95 when OC'ing to 5.0, by only changing VCore and the Multiplier.
  • I assume this is preference, but do you personally disable Speedstep and let the cores run at max or let them gear down?

I've adjusted the speeds of the fans to help increase airflow and will continue to tinker and see what happens. Thanks again.

To "The Pook", about my cooler... I get it; however, a friend of mine gave me the cooler and even provided the second fan; both new in box. Very nice gesture, so I realize I am pushing the limits, but it's what I have to work with. If there are any voltage, BIOS settings or other suggestions, please share.

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Hi and no problems at all..For LLC I have it set at Turbo which works for me as I am at 5.1GHz, for you I would set it one lower and just make sure you are stable in the Prime95 v26.6 run if not just move to Turbo to stop any vdroop.
On the Ring Ratio I tend to go 3 less than my max core and again just test to make sure you are stable.
As to speedstep etc, I always just leave it at auto as I like the CPU speed to drop when there is no load.
Other than that you are fine. On the vcore side, I do not like Auto as Gigabyte tend to blast a bit too much vcore when left to their own devices...

Finally a better CPU cooler in the future will help, a cost effective 240mm AIO or a better Air cooler will drop temps quite a bit. 240 AIO's have really come down in price so might be worth a look..

I've had mixed results, still with errors needing further adjustments... I assume it's my Fixed vCore of 1.25v?

Running the below settings with Handbrake to encode a 1080p video for about 20 mins and completed the encoding (without it specifically stating errors); however, WMP wouldn't play the file. The source file was good; I tried encoding again for about a minute before stopping and that small output worked fine.


HWiNFO screenshot attached, only a 40 second differential between me loading it and starting the encoding. The screenshot was taken with about 10-15 seconds left in the encoding.
  • Multiplier = 50
  • Ring Ratio = 47
  • AVX Offset = 1 [I started with this for the sake of it]
  • "Fixed" vCore, set to 1.25v
  • LLC = High (one below Turbo)

Three cores peaked at 80c/max.

Question:

Per the attached screen shot, the vCores only "averaged" 1.266-1.269 throughout the entire 20 min encoding. There were occasional spikes that momentarily lasted. However, there were periodic spikes above that in both the "Current" and the "Max" columns. Does this mean that the process is obviously still reaching those increased voltages, but the motherboard is only allowing 1.25 + a nominal increase, due to me setting the Fixed Core Temp of 1.25v? I assume that's the case and need more juice.


When I tried Prime95 26.6 (small tests), it ran for about 15 minutes, temps were low/mid-80's and maintained there. However, HWiNFO showed constant 1.303v for all the cores, maxing at 1.307-1.311. However, the average vCore for all cores was 1.28v. After 15 mins, it blue screened and had rebooted.


Any suggestions on what to try... such as 1.3v, any other settings or recommendations?


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Okay, I think you do need a bit more vcore and also look at the VROUT reading in HWInfo which gives you the true figure on vcore or as close to true as possible. I think you might need the HWinfo beta version if it does not show up.

Ignore VID as you should have a proper vcore reading and a VROUT reading.

Also up the LLC to Turbo
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Also remember your cooling is not the best and to push 5 to 5.1 all core especially on bench testing with Prime95/Aida64/Cinebench etc will be a lot better done with better cooling. Even with vcore's like mine which is currently fixed at 1.300v, though peaks at 1.32v is more than manageable for 24/7 use due to better cooling...Anything under 1.35v is okay and for some 1.4v though that is way too much for me....Less is always better and anything on or under 1.300v is great. At 5Ghz you should be able to get stable at 1.275v and if you are lucky even lower..

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Sorry, I forgot, also due to your cooling, go with an AVX offset of 2....

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