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5960X not stable on auto, MSI x99s plus

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i bought an i7 5960x on ebay and the cpu is not stable on auto.

the cpu barlely boot into windows and freeze quite a lot. not even able to open cpu-z, or anyting before the crash.

i changed the ring cache and the SA voltage from auto to 1.1V and the system seem stable now, (didn't crache for 20 minute of AVX FMA blend test )

Is my motherboard is at fault for not giving enough voltage or the 5960x is bad?


i notice someting strange about the cpu, the voltage of the 5960x over around 0.95V on load instead of 1.05v like my 5820k and E5-1660V3.
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Does it BSOD while booting into Windows?

I'd go through the standard checklist:
- CMOS defaults
- Reflash the latest BIOS
- Check the pads on the CPU and double check the socket for bent pins
- Let it crash a few times, note the timestamps, then swap the CPU for a good one and check the Windows logs.

The 5960X is on the supported CPU list for the X99S Plus, therefore it shouldn't need any manual voltage tweaking. If it does, something is either defective or worn out.
I have a feeling your CPU might have seen some rough handling and is on it's last legs, hence you have to increase the cache and SA voltages.

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...By coincidence, I just finished a 5960X build this week. The mobo is an Asus Rampage V Extreme...both the CPU and the mobo had been set aside for years as I had used them in a lot of sub-zero benching and the setup was down to 1 of 4 memory channels (bent pins)...so a hard prior life for both back in the day. Anyway, I fixed all that now (4 RAM channels again ). I finally settled on auto settings from the mobo (which I normally don't do, but 5960X can be a bit frustrating re. VCCSA, Cache, VCCIO and vCore voltage relationships). In addition, they're sensitive to cooling - mine has a D5 pump, EK block, 360x55 XSPC rad and 6x 120mm fans.

...you reported that the cache voltage at 1.1v stabilized things...that is actually a tad low, depending on the cache speed of course . For CPU @ 4.5 and cache @ 4.125 GHz locked, I need around 1.355v vCore before load droop and 1.215 vCache. I dialed the CPU and cache back a step for 24/7. Cache voltage stays now just below 1.2v (w/ cache locked at min/max of 4GHz). The mobo auto-settings work well overall, though I'll probably end up lowering input voltage manually a bit from the 1.9+- auto 'prefers'

...re. your last sentence observation on what seems to be droop to 0.95v during load, that is determined by your mobo's LLC setting (should be adjustable). In my experience, the 5960X likes fairly aggressive load line. All in all, these CPUs are power hungry...for example, for Cinebench R20, this 8c/16t will peak at 249W...my 2950X 16c/32t (sig link) more than doubles the score at a peak of 279W...

Below is some memory, CPUID and HWINfo readouts for the 5960X build which you can use as a guide if you like, noting again the custom cooling I run for the all-core overclock...with good cooling, I feel comfortable at vCore (max) < 1.35v and vCache < 1.21. The HWInfo reading for VCCSA at 1.15v and VCCIO/VTT at 1.05v (for 32GB / 3333 MHz RAM) are well below max safe.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Martin778 View Post
Does it BSOD while booting into Windows?

I'd go through the standard checklist:
- CMOS defaults
- Reflash the latest BIOS
- Check the pads on the CPU and double check the socket for bent pins
- Let it crash a few times, note the timestamps, then swap the CPU for a good one and check the Windows logs.

The 5960X is on the supported CPU list for the X99S Plus, therefore it shouldn't need any manual voltage tweaking. If it does, something is either defective or worn out.
I have a feeling your CPU might have seen some rough handling and is on it's last legs, hence you have to increase the cache and SA voltages.
it freeze after booting.

-CMOS defaut, already done,
-Done
-Didn't do that, but I try to reinstall my Xeon e5-1660v3 and it's work fine.

Now, i am running prime95 (2H30)(with the 5960x at 3.3 ghz) with everyting(AVX2 and FMA) and the system didn't crash yet.

with 1.05V on SA and ring, the system crashed right after i start prime95.
with 1075V on each, i ran prime 95 for 20 minute, didn't crash.
I run now at 1.1V just to be save.
my cpu isn't overclocked for now, i just want to be sure it's stable.

with that in mine, is the cpu broken or the motherboard ?


Ps: holy cow this cpu is power hungry, with only 0.95V, it's consume as heat as much as my xeon e5-1660v3 at 1.05V at load(both stock 3.3 ghz). i am not sure my xeon could run at 0.95V stable at 3.3 ghz


LLC is one step below max.

my cooler is an evga CLC 280, one the best cooler that i can put on my case, but i am already at 63C in prime 95 .
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Quote: Originally Posted by cou60 View Post
hi

i bought an i7 5960x on ebay and the cpu is not stable on auto.

the cpu barlely boot into windows and freeze quite a lot. not even able to open cpu-z, or anyting before the crash.

i changed the ring cache and the SA voltage from auto to 1.1V and the system seem stable now, (didn't crache for 20 minute of AVX FMA blend test )

Is my motherboard is at fault for not giving enough voltage or the 5960x is bad?


i notice someting strange about the cpu, the voltage of the 5960x over around 0.95V on load instead of 1.05v like my 5820k and E5-1660V3.
Hi

5960X has lower boost than 5820k and also it is a better binned chip, that's why it is usually running at a lower core voltage.
Check for bint pins in your mobo, if you couldn't find any, it could be a dying chip.

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Quote: Originally Posted by HeadlessKnight View Post
Hi

5960X has lower boost than 5820k and also it is a better binned chip, that's why it is usually running at a lower core voltage.
Check for bint pins in your mobo, if you couldn't find any, it could be a dying chip.

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this is unfortunate because the 5960x seem to oc pretty well, better than my xeon and even my 5820k. For once, i may have a average chip instead of the worst possible cloker.(1660 v3 not stable at 4.3ghz even a 1.3V)

i tried prime 95 with avx and FMA on and the cpu was holding on, i only test it for 15 minute at 1.05V at 4 ghz. So i may not be stable, but my xeon 1660v3 need 1.15V to do that(my 5820k need 1.1Volt)

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this cpu can do 4.5 ghz realbench at 1.25V for 2 hour (raise it to 1.275 to be carefull). my 5820k and E5-1660v3 could not do that. I feel weird to have an average chip. i normaly have cpu that are way below average. my 5820k could only do 4.4 ghz(avx2 stable), and my E5-1660V3 could do 4.3 ghz(4.2 ghz avx2 stable)



but the cpu get hot, 85C with an 280 AIO, this is strange, my room was at 28C. it that normal.



this cpu should be stable at 4.4 ghz with AVX2, but i am bit scared to try prime 95 with this motherboard (msi sli x99 plus with only 8 phase)
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Quote: Originally Posted by cou60 View Post
this cpu can do 4.5 ghz realbench at 1.25V for 2 hour (raise it to 1.275 to be carefull). my 5820k and E5-1660v3 could not do that. I feel weird to have an average chip. i normaly have cpu that are way below average. my 5820k could only do 4.4 ghz(avx2 stable), and my E5-1660V3 could do 4.3 ghz(4.2 ghz avx2 stable)



but the cpu get hot, 85C with an 280 AIO, this is strange, my room was at 28C. it that normal.



this cpu should be stable at 4.4 ghz with AVX2, but i am bit scared to try prime 95 with this motherboard (msi sli x99 plus with only 8 phase)

...seems like a very good 5960X; perhaps in need of increased cooling, given the highish ambient. As mentioned, I'm running a 'thick' 360 rad plus D5 and it rarely gets above 70C (25C ambient now). If your 5960x can do 2hrs RealBench and otherwise pass memtest etc for extended time, I would just enjoy it !
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