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post #11 of 97 (permalink) Old 08-01-2020, 05:20 AM
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I hadn't seen that one, but I saw a different one which was a bit more positive for the 10900K. I do appreciate the fact that the current GPU gen doesn't really bottleneck on the 8700K though. But I'm thinking this might change when the RTX 3090 gets released. Perhaps I should just wait and see - should hopefully come out around September.



I haven't overclocked mine at all (sacrilege, I know, considering which forum this is). I did clock it to 5GHz on all cores just after I got it, but I wasn't very lucky with the lottery on mine. I can only get a stable 4,8GHz on all cores without it melting down (running a very good air cooler, Noctua NH-D14, and a case with very good cooling all around with a good intake / exhaust fan setup). It's been a minor source of annoyment since I got it.

Doesn't help that Star Citizen (the unending alpha) absolutely tanks my CPU, maxing it completely at times.



Well, I'm running the most expensive RAM I could find at the time I got it. But of course, my motherboard doesn't support the 4000MHz config, so I have to run them at around 3400. Timings are probably worse too than on the XMP profile. Another minor reason I want to get a new motherboard. I'm definitely getting the RTX 3090 right after it comes out. If I didn't run VR, I wouldn't bother just yet, but my current VR setup is so demanding that nothing is ever good enough, on some games.



I only have 4 drives in my gaming desktop. Have a media server in my living room with a 10TB raid, so I don't need that much space on my desktop (still have 9TB though, but I have a ****load of Steam games). I see the case you are talking about is a midi tower though. That's far too cramped to work in for my liking. I currently have a Thermaltake Level 10 GT, and even that is on the border of what I am comfortable with, size wise. Plus, I like the look of the 1000D. Haven't made up my mind though, so I'm still looking.

Edit: I see you are a fellow Norwegian, and also that you have a 10900K. Happy with it?



Price difference isn't that great, and I would lose 2C/4T and some single thread performance, which I really care about. Have a few games that are very CPU taxing and which only supports 1 core (X3: Terran Conflict, for one). X4 isn't too hot on multicores either. I'm basically looking for the very best single core performer, which seems to be the 10900K, right now.
then upgrade. do justice to dat 2080ti. stop reading reviewers that dont even game to know what bottleneck is. the [email protected] benefits with cpu at 51.

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then upgrade. do justice to dat 2080ti. stop reading reviewers that dont even game to know what bottleneck is. the [email protected] benefits with cpu at 51.
Haha, yeah, perhaps. I am guessing that it will at least be a reasonable upgrade once RTX 3090 is out. It vexes me that there is no PCI-E 4.0 support though. DDR5 is just around the corner too, most likely. Though it might take a few years before it is somewhat mainstream.

And for my usage, PCI-E 4.0 won't matter. But I still want it, damnit. Gonna have to think some more on this. $1800 is not a huge amount of money (with the case I am looking at, and yes, my country is expensive), but it's not nothing either.

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Leaning towards upgrading now.. But wondering which motherboard to get. Basically wondering if it's worth the money to go all the way and get a ASUS ROG MAXIMUS XII EXTREME ($1000) or if a ASUS ROG MAXIMUS XII HERO will suffice ($440). Will likely overclock, but probably not right away (except RAM, which hopefully works with XMP @ 4000MHz on a new motherboard..). I don't need any of the additional interfaces or ports provided - just any additional performance, if applicable.

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Edit: I see you are a fellow Norwegian, and also that you have a 10900K. Happy with it?
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I'm happy with my 10900K, more so than my 9900K cause I get 5.0-5.1 Ghz on all cores. That and a higher RAM speed since the IMC is better too. But the chip runs hot (at 5.1 Ghz and up), so I highly recommend getting an 280mm or 360mm AIO. Having said that, why not wait until Intel Rocket Lake comes out? That chip will have PCI-E 4.0 support. Or...go for AMD Ryzen 4000 at the end of the year.

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I don’️t think anybody on this forum has the knowledge or authorization to disclose how CPUs are binned.
Maybe so, but how about logic? The 10900K is the top of the line mainstream CPU with the highest max turbo frequency, and for it to reach that it has to be of high silicon quality, ergo better binned. Just as the 8086K was to the 8700K, or the 9900KS to the 9900K. Get the point?
I understand the logic you are using, but consider that the 10700k and 10900k are the same chip but the 10-7 has 2 cores disabled. Less heat is being generated, leas current is needed, and the VRM and ring don’t need to work as hard.

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I don’️t think anybody on this forum has the knowledge or authorization to disclose how CPUs are binned.
Maybe so, but how about logic? The 10900K is the top of the line mainstream CPU with the highest max turbo frequency, and for it to reach that it has to be of high silicon quality, ergo better binned. Just as the 8086K was to the 8700K, or the 9900KS to the 9900K. Get the point?
I understand the logic you are using, but consider that the 10700k and 10900k are the same chip but the 10-7 has 2 cores disabled. Less heat is being generated, leas current is needed, and the VRM and ring don’t need to work as hard.
It still doesn't change the fact that 10900k's are better binned. There's plenty of 10900 that runs at 5,4 and above.. Where are those 10700's? From what I've seen the IMC is allso weaker

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I understand the logic you are using, but consider that the 10700k and 10900k are the same chip but the 10-7 has 2 cores disabled. Less heat is being generated, leas current is needed, and the VRM and ring don’t need to work as hard.
I understand your logic too. LOL

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I'm happy with my 10900K, more so than my 9900K cause I get 5.0-5.1 Ghz on all cores. That and a higher RAM speed since the IMC is better too. But the chip runs hot (at 5.1 Ghz and up), so I highly recommend getting an 280mm or 360mm AIO. Having said that, why not wait until Intel Rocket Lake comes out? That chip will have PCI-E 4.0 support. Or...go for AMD Ryzen 4000 at the end of the year.

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AMD may finally beat Intel in the low res gaming market.
Most likely play catch-up. A 10900K at 5100+ allcore and 4400+ mem speed is gonna be hard to beat. But a 10900K at Intels' 125W TDP limit with only 2933 memory, then yes AMD may win in some games with the Ryzen 4000.

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I don’️t think anybody on this forum has the knowledge or authorization to disclose how CPUs are binned.
Maybe so, but how about logic? The 10900K is the top of the line mainstream CPU with the highest max turbo frequency, and for it to reach that it has to be of high silicon quality, ergo better binned. Just as the 8086K was to the 8700K, or the 9900KS to the 9900K. Get the point?
I understand the logic you are using, but consider that the 10700k and 10900k are the same chip but the 10-7 has 2 cores disabled. Less heat is being generated, leas current is needed, and the VRM and ring don’t need to work as hard.
It still doesn't change the fact that 10900k's are better binned. There's plenty of 10900 that runs at 5,4 and above.. Where are those 10700's? From what I've seen the IMC is allso weaker
I happen to have a 10700k that would be considered stable at 5.4 by the standards most people on this forum follow. No, I didn’t buy it from silicon lottery and its the first chip I tried. My ram overclock is rather good too.

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