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post #1241 of 2861 (permalink) Old 01-18-2015, 03:09 AM
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post #1242 of 2861 (permalink) Old 01-18-2015, 06:30 AM
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I don't think that is feasible. And I don't think we will be able to make a smaller motherboard formfactor without compromising big-time. We'd need a smaller socket, smaller PCIex16 connectors, smaller everything. mITX boards are pretty cramped as it is, but going to even smaller worlds will only be possible when compromising expandability. You may even go as far as to say that at that point, you should just buy a gaming laptop.

I might have been typing my train of thought. wink.gif

There are other ITX form factors other than mini. Nano ITX was introduced back in 2003 and has a 120x120mm footprint. One of those and a laptop GPU slot wouldn't be bad. I think that's similar to what things like the Intel NUC or Gigabyte Brix are using, though they use a proprietary form factor. VIA boardmakers (Jetway and EPIA especially) make a few nITX systems.

There's also the classic mini ATX at 150x150mm, but that's not a huge upgrade and I'm honestly not sure anybody makes them. You are right though - the PCIe connector is a bit of an issue.

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i only see low end cards with 1x/4x pci-express

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i only see low end cards with 1x/4x pci-express

Even high end cards aren't that limited by PCIe lanes for gaming. TechPowerUp did a bunch of testing and the 7970 playing BF3 at 5760x1080 did 28.2 FPS at 1.1 x4 vs 29.6 FPS at 3.0 x16: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/6.html

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It's mostly due to latency. GPUs don't actually need that much bandwidth. There are two ways to look at PCIe links. You can think of it as a parallel interface, where adding more lanes increases the bus width up to a factor of 16 (there's also PCIe x32, but it is incredibly uncommon and nobody talks about it). This is a bit inaccurate but easier to visualize, since parallel links are usually low-frequency and always synced. PCIe is in fact a serial link, or rather up to 16 of them. The individual lanes are not synced, but rather can be staggered and effectively increase the frequency by a factor of 16, if that makes sense.

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Thanks, but it's iFreilicht tongue.gif Anyway, I have to agree with Reindoonicorn, it is nothing but 970s right now. Next to the A4, with case projects like the LRPC by NCASE or the unnamed case by SaperPL, this thread will get boring quite fast, as people will be able to put 980s into cases not much larger than the PC-Q12. I, too, started a case project that fits a 280mm GPU into a 6L package. With these cases that thread would become a 980 overclocking contest before anything.

I like this thread because there is so much variety, and people have different expectations in their rigs. Sure, some of us want stellar gaming performance, but others want the quietest PC possible, and I don't see a Sone/Litre taking off anytime soon wink.gif

Also there will probably be a lot of people complaining.

That said, if you want to do that kind of leaderboard, go ahead. Maybe you can raise awareness for how powerful small systems really can be, and I'll surely subscribe. thumb.gif

The more thought placed into it, the more I agree with your points. A performance/litre thread is nice for people focusing on that type of thing, but ignores two other pillars of PC design... acoustics and aesthetics. People weight the importance of these things to varying degrees. And I can already imagine the contention that would cause. So, on second thought, let's not go to Camelot. It is a silly place.

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So, on second thought, let's not go to Camelot. It is a silly place.

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I agree,no need to go there

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I might have been typing my train of thought. wink.gif

There are other ITX form factors other than mini. Nano ITX was introduced back in 2003 and has a 120x120mm footprint. One of those and a laptop GPU slot wouldn't be bad. I think that's similar to what things like the Intel NUC or Gigabyte Brix are using, though they use a proprietary form factor. VIA boardmakers (Jetway and EPIA especially) make a few nITX systems.

There's also the classic mini ATX at 150x150mm, but that's not a huge upgrade and I'm honestly not sure anybody makes them. You are right though - the PCIe connector is a bit of an issue.

nanoITX sounds tempting, and using PCIex8 or x4 wouldn't be much of a sacrifice. Using mobile GPUs on a dedicated card with a dedicated cooler could also make for very quiet systems. Those things fit into 1cm thick Laptop bodys and can be cooled sufficiently.
Let's hope someone will jump onto that in the next 20 years. tongue.gif
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So, on second thought, let's not go to Camelot. It is a silly place.

This statement combined with your username is rather hilarious.

Anyone remember a few years ago when some makers, I think it was ASUS and MSI, sold those laptops that were somewhat modular? You'd buy the case/screen/motherboard and the processor and GPU could be bought separately? It's a shame those never really caught on, because since the GPUs already existed, we might've seen a nano-ITX board with support for those cards.

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