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post #1261 of 2861 (permalink) Old 01-21-2015, 11:01 AM
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Thanks for this link! I think once the powerblock on my antec isk 110 die. I may decide to upgrade to a PicoPSU and go the amd route as well to make a portable gaming rig thumb.gif

I've seen these what appear to be drop-in 250W replacement PSUs for the morex/antec style PSUs, but the power input jack would require some modding I think.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/250W-DC-12V-mini-Pico-PSU-PC-ATX-Power-Supplies-ATOM-HTPC-MINI-ITX-Power-Supply-/151539923502?pt=PCA_UPS&hash=item23487bba2e
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interesting quick read on MXM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_PCI_Express_Module

http://www.mxm-sig.org/file.cfm?doc=36A88883-DFFA-E3E6-16C301BCF5633572 (2008 .pdf on MXM 3.0)

but looks like it may have died in 2012 ( http://mxm-sig.org )

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Computer-Components-Parts-/175673/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mxm&_sop=16
shows a few but prices are high and no where to compete with traditional GPUs for a uSFF itx build

looks like MXM 3.0 changed the connection type. whereas MXM 2.0 in a 9800M GT and 280M Nvidia look like PCIe connections


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880m and 980m come with 8 GB of ram? 780M has 4GB? wasnt aware of that.

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larger standoffs in cases, able to put more stuff on motherboards with a thicker board but smaller area, itx x99 have room if the backside is used more. sure IO panel would be more centrally located on cases to make room on the back of the board but coming up even half an inch would double the space for components, 2nd PCIe connection or more M2 and sata ports. just a thought

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looking and some of those laptop motherboards, its hard to see why manufacturers dont use both sides of the desktop boards more often,
larger standoffs in cases, able to put more stuff on motherboards with a thicker board but smaller area, itx x99 have room if the backside is used more. sure IO panel would be more centrally located on cases to make room on the back of the board but coming up even half an inch would double the space for components, 2nd PCIe connection or more M2 and sata ports. just a thought

Because that's not the ATX standard. Unless the committee makes the standard, and OEMs from all sides adopt it, there will almost never be any deviation from the norm.

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Oh yeah, I read about those, there was an AIO that had a motherboard with a port for that. I think MXM also offers lanes for getting the display output signal back to the mainboard, but I could be wrong about that.

They'd have to, I don't see any additional plugs or options for attaching the output to the GPU itself. Nano-ITX usually leans heavily on mobile components already, I wonder how difficult it would be for a manufacturer to add a PCI GPU slot on the edge?

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we've seen the itx community grow with more case options, a wider range of motherboards and mini GPUs designed with small space in mind. low TDP CPUs and GPUs are used more often in the uSSF projects to keep heat and PSU size down to a minimum. it would be nice to see Nano-ITX and Nvidia/AMD work together for a dedicated GPU solution. it would start off slow but custom builds and extreme builds would excite the community and demand would increase over a couple of years just as the ITX market has.

how much power can be pushed out of the smaller footprint? its fun showing off the ITX builds to buddies that have ATX rigs. they are ipressed with the performance out of a smaller box that could be hidden from view or blends into the background of a living room. less power used and less overall heat is a win for everyone.

nano-itx using mxm GPU would be smaller, quieter, use less power and produce similar performance numbers, (just a step down but still great performance) portable for those of us on the go and lan parties.

im going to look into this more. im looking at doing an antec isk110 build but if nano-itx with a dedicated gpu is doable, im game for that. something challenging and interesting

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Is MXM a truly different interface, or is it the same PCIe we all know and love using a different plug and socket? If it's the latter, then I don't see why we can't have desktop GPU cores on laptop GPU cards.

Unfortunately, I don't think there are any nITX boards out there with PCIe slots. It might be possible to use a mini slot and an adapter if that counts for anything!

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Is MXM a truly different interface, or is it the same PCIe we all know and love using a different plug and socket? If it's the latter, then I don't see why we can't have desktop GPU cores on laptop GPU cards.

Unfortunately, I don't think there are any nITX boards out there with PCIe slots. It might be possible to use a mini slot and an adapter if that counts for anything!
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interesting quick read on MXM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_PCI_Express_Module

http://www.mxm-sig.org/file.cfm?doc=36A88883-DFFA-E3E6-16C301BCF5633572 (2008 .pdf on MXM 3.0)

but looks like it may have died in 2012 ( http://mxm-sig.org )

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Computer-Components-Parts-/175673/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mxm&_sop=16
shows a few but prices are high and no where to compete with traditional GPUs for a uSFF itx build

looks like MXM 3.0 changed the connection type. whereas MXM 2.0 in a 9800M GT and 280M Nvidia look like PCIe connections

Apparently it's PCIe.

We can't have desktop GPUs on laptop cards because laptops can't cool them, simple as that wink.gif

And you are right, nITX with PCIe is practically non-existent.
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Right, but remember that laptop GPUs are just desktop GPUs binned for efficiency. A 750Ti and 860M are idnetical for example. There isn't much stopping an MXM 290X being made. However, there's no market. If there were a desktop board available that could house that form factor, it would be fine.

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GTX 960 released and Gigabyte is right out of the gate with a 170mm ITX model! wheee.gif

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I still use a 1200p VGA monitor so I'm glad it has the dual DVI ports. Time to buy one and test it with my pico-PSU.


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