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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 06-10-2019, 03:33 PM - Thread Starter
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SFF Gaming Build - Opinions?

Looking for a decent build to lug around - I'm sure there are oodles of discussions I can look at, so far this is what I've pieced together. Far from concrete, opinions? Thanks!

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fjZ6Cb

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor ($159.99 @ Newegg Business)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-L9i 33.84 CFM CPU Cooler ($44.49 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel - 660p Series 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 590 8 GB NITRO+ SE Video Card ($215.99 @ Walmart)
Case: Fractal Design - Node 202 HTPC Case ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair - SF 450 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply ($98.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $959.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-10 18:30 EDT-0400

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make sure you understand why the 660P is so cheap. I wouldn't personally touch a QLC drive unless it's for a data or Steam drive. Look into the (SLC) Muskin Pilot drive for not that much more, IMO.

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Quote: Originally Posted by The Pook View Post
make sure you understand why the 660P is so cheap. I wouldn't personally touch a QLC drive unless it's for a data or Steam drive. Look into the (SLC) Muskin Pilot drive for not that much more, IMO.
Thanks Pook - I hadn't researched it. (I guess why I'm here mostly... Half ass research + unpublished/uncommon knowledge)

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If you can budget it, step up to the 2xxx ryzen series, the IPC improvements and seriously improved ram overclocking support will aid in future tweaking
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Quote: Originally Posted by The Pook View Post
make sure you understand why the 660P is so cheap. I wouldn't personally touch a QLC drive unless it's for a data or Steam drive. Look into the (SLC) Muskin Pilot drive for not that much more, IMO.
I can't agree with this enough. I recently made the mistake of getting QLC SSDs (at work) and they drive me insane. They're pretty speedy for a while, then suddenly drop to ~100MB/s write speeds. As soon as I can I will be replacing them with something else, because QLC sucks.

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If you can budget it, step up to the 2xxx ryzen series, the IPC improvements and seriously improved ram overclocking support will aid in future tweaking
Also agree with this. If it's for a gaming rig, I'd suggest the 2600(X). Been looking at a 2600-based as-cheap-as-possible build so I have a system that is the same arch as my main work rig, but that I can experiment without risking downtime on the box that actually does stuff.

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I really like my Raijintek Metis, although you need a short GPU for it. Also, if you can't find the Metis Plus (with some mesh in the roof) don't bother - the vanilla one looks amazing but the GPU absolutely cooks when loaded. That said, I've had mine for over two years now and all is still fine.


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Quote: Originally Posted by mattliston View Post
If you can budget it, step up to the 2xxx ryzen series, the IPC improvements and seriously improved ram overclocking support will aid in future tweaking
Thanks, I guess my thinking was with the new procs around the corner was to do just enough with possible upgrades when available. However, it would be primarily if not almost exclusively for gaming.

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make sure you understand why the 660P is so cheap. I wouldn't personally touch a QLC drive unless it's for a data or Steam drive. Look into the (SLC) Muskin Pilot drive for not that much more, IMO.
I can't agree with this enough. I recently made the mistake of getting QLC SSDs (at work) and they drive me insane. They're pretty speedy for a while, then suddenly drop to ~100MB/s write speeds. As soon as I can I will be replacing them with something else, because QLC sucks.

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If you can budget it, step up to the 2xxx ryzen series, the IPC improvements and seriously improved ram overclocking support will aid in future tweaking
Also agree with this. If it's for a gaming rig, I'd suggest the 2600(X). Been looking at a 2600-based as-cheap-as-possible build so I have a system that is the same arch as my main work rig, but that I can experiment without risking downtime on the box that actually does stuff.

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I really like my Raijintek Metis, although you need a short GPU for it. Also, if you can't find the Metis Plus (with some mesh in the roof) don't bother - the vanilla one looks amazing but the GPU absolutely cooks when loaded. That said, I've had mine for over two years now and all is still fine.
I'll take a look! I only saw the 202 and jumped on it (looked like nothing I've seen before for a PC build)

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take the 65W TDP versions of AMD's 2000 series, it'd put less pressure on the NH-L9, the 3000 series would be even better if you could wait.

also the GPU, RX 590 is very power hungry and it's heat would be dumped inside the case.



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Quote: Originally Posted by blucube View Post
Thanks, I guess my thinking was with the new procs around the corner was to do just enough with possible upgrades when available. However, it would be primarily if not almost exclusively for gaming.

I'll take a look! I only saw the 202 and jumped on it (looked like nothing I've seen before for a PC build)
Ah, yes, get cheap Ryzen 1000 series and drop a 3000 in a little later. Good plan. That said, I know I'd then say to myself, "I've got this CPU sitting here doing nothing, let's build another system around it..."

The Metis isn't the smallest case in the SFF market, but it's a fairly nice design (I got the green one simply because it was cheaper, and it has really grown on me) and can fit an astounding amount of stuff in it - provided you don't mind some thought and painstaking precision if you want more than two SSDs. I'm eyeing up the Phanteks Evolv Shift (X) for another SFF build, although it is quite a bit larger than I really would like. That said, things like the Fractal Nano S are massive in comparison to the Node 202, Metis etc. There seems to be a dramatic tradeoff between cases with good cooling and size, my old boss experimented briefly with a Node 304 for a proxy/data dump and despite what Fractal say on their product page, the system in there absolutely cooked when any load at all was applied...

The 202 looks like a small desktop chassis?

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take the 65W TDP versions of AMD's 2000 series, it'd put less pressure on the NH-L9, the 3000 series would be even better if you could wait.
That's a valid point - I took that route with my SFF box; Ryzen 1700 (65w TDP). I just use the stock cooler, it's fairly quiet and keeps the CPU under control. The real issue for most of these SFF cases will be the GPU.

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Unless you really only want AMD GPUs, a variety of "ITX size" nVidia GPUs are rather good. I use a GTX 1070 on a short PCB. 150-something mm long, IIRC... can't remember the manufacturer, but Gigabyte, MSI and Zotac do ITX cards.


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I'd recommend stating your intended resolution and refresh rate for a better understanding of your GPU needs.

That said, I agree that the RX590 is going to be a hot GPU for a Node 202, get an ITX-based GPU or more power-efficient 570/580 or 1660. If you can find a used/refurb 1070 in an ITX form factor, they go for around $200+ (check Ebay/craigslist/local Facebook marketplace). The 1070 is going to do well for a 1440p/60Hz or 1080p/120Hz setup.

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I'd recommend stating your intended resolution and refresh rate for a better understanding of your GPU needs.

That said, I agree that the RX590 is going to be a hot GPU for a Node 202, get an ITX-based GPU or more power-efficient 570/580 or 1660. If you can find a used/refurb 1070 in an ITX form factor, they go for around $200+ (check Ebay/craigslist/local Facebook marketplace). The 1070 is going to do well for a 1440p/60Hz or 1080p/120Hz setup.
I'd agree. While I've been using a 1070 to drive a 4K monitor, there are a fair few games where I have to tweak settings quite carefully to balance framerate with eyecandy at 4K. There are a couple of games I run at reduced resolution, but stuff doesn't look bad at 1080p on a 4K screen...


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