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post #4251 of 4261 (permalink) Old 07-19-2020, 02:30 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by PurpleChef View Post
So after trying multiple win10 versions and tweaks, all i can say is win8.1 is king.
Well, I've installed Windows 10 v2004 today for testing and played 10 matches in CS:GO. Input lag is good and game runs even smoother than on 8.1.
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post #4252 of 4261 (permalink) Old 07-19-2020, 02:50 PM
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I felt less "deadzone", and my flicks seems to be back to normal quicker than usual. I work off-shore so I have two weeks break from gaming every now and then so I need some adjusting when I get home
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this dwm **** is biggest placebo i ever seen xd
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I used one of the examples you linked to which was C code to kill dwm by suspending winlogon, the method does work and you can recreate using my GameMode script I shared in another thread. It's not perfect but if you wanted to try. Tested on Win1909.

Killing DWM in Win10 example using Game-Mode Script
Based on https://github.com/Biswa96/Junkyard/...er/c/KillDwm.c

1. Open task manager
2. Open Powershell as admin and import game-mode script
3. Edit the command line below to open the game of your choice between both sleep commands
4. Edit the second sleep timer to determine when to re-activate DWM via restoring winlogon. (in seconds.)
5. Run the command below, shortly after make sure winlogon is suspended (details tab) then manually kill DWM via task manager then wait for your game to launch after the first sleep timer.

GM-SuspendProcess-ByName("winlogon"); sleep 10; start steam://rungameid/10; sleep 300; GM-ResumeProcess-ByName("winlogon");
So is the DWM trick working for folks or not in win10? Getting mix messages.

I tried it myself and honestly didn't notice anything in MW 2019. Still experimenting though on win10.
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It works in win10 as noted above but I didn't feel a difference, prob since win10 is already pretty heavy.
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So is the DWM trick working for folks or not in win10? Getting mix messages.

I tried it myself and honestly didn't notice anything in MW 2019. Still experimenting though on win10.
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It works in win10 as noted above but I didn't feel a difference, prob since win10 is already pretty heavy.
It works only if you have input lag. If you don't, you don't. It's that simple. 2 out of 3 friend's builds I've tested did not have input lag. But as to why some people do and some people don't, I can only say that windows is garbage.

But I recommend trying the classic alt tab patch too. Might shave off a frame of input lag.
forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7168

Input-Lagpilled Current Rig FX-8320/50, MSI 390/XFX 270, Corsair Vengeance 16gb 2400mhz, EVGA BQ 750w. You'll find me on the OG input lag thread.https://www.overclock.net/forum/6-in...l#post28260384

Or at r/AMD https://community.amd.com/message/29...ZLWotL_8b8hvA8 or Twitch https://www.twitch.tv/ramenrider/
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Quote: Originally Posted by RamenRider View Post
It works only if you have input lag. If you don't, you don't. It's that simple. 2 out of 3 friend's builds I've tested did not have input lag. But as to why some people do and some people don't, I can only say that windows is garbage.

But I recommend trying the classic alt tab patch too. Might shave off a frame of input lag.
forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7168
Do you need to alt-tab out the game to get it to work or is is automatic when you log back into win10?

I'm also looking for the System Visual Options for Raw Performance tweak as well.

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@r0ach if you see this post could you explain this: "Because anytime you load the software for any of these mice it gives you a completely non-deterministic result each time. Sometimes cursor movement will be faster and more responsive, sometimes slower. And it will never feel identical to how it did straight from the factory before you exposed it to the software. Makes no sense but that's the way it is." you mentioned that in this thread:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/375-...-people-5.html

Does that mean that I permanently changed my razer viper behavior behavior because I "exposed" it to razer synapse? or everything goes back to normal like factory settings if I connect it to another computer ? without razer synapse never installed on it.
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DWM Latency IO Tweak?

Hi, long time lurker of this thread, and also a big audio nerd.
Happy with all of your contributions through the years, even if it gets a little dubious and messy at times. Thanks to all the experts for their input and to the tweakers for bringing up new topics and interesting new options.

I'm on Win10, 100 hz display, with lord knows how many tweaks for gaming and optimizations for live audio playback. Mostly been following the likes of Melody and CHEF-KOCH lately.

I recently was messing in regedit, since I've been trying to address some audio latency issues (which I've bettered by normalizing my voltages in BIOS, but still present) and wondered if anyone knows what these do, and if they're worth modifying for input/audio latency.

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Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Win dows NT\CurrentVersion\BackgroundModel\BackgroundAudioP olicy

AllowHeadlessExecution = 1 //original is 0
AllowMultipleBackgroundTasks = 1 //original is 1 (might try another value sometime)
InactivityTimeoutMs = FFFFFFFF //original is 6ddde (I think, oops)

Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Win dows NT\CurrentVersion\Windows

DwmInputUsesIoCompletionPort = 0 //original is 1 (I suspect this could be big for input response)
EnableDwmInputProcessing = 0 // original is 7 (curious to why original is 7 and not 1)

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My cursor movement is now a dream, it actually felt really weird at first, kinda like cracking headshots without interpolation when you've been used to it.
Of course, I'm not claiming this was the actual cause (or that these even do anything), so I wonder if anyone knows what these actually do or has any experience with these. DWM disabling is a big deal for some in this community, so you might want to take a crack at it.

I await your hate comments with anticipation.
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DWM Latency IO Tweak?

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Tried it, don't see/feel any difference.
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Look up Fr33thy on YouTube
Did. Great channel. Just wish it could all be condensed into a thread tbh. I think the entire series is over 10hr watch time lol
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