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post #3231 of 3315 (permalink) Old 12-02-2019, 12:18 PM
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RGB doesnt change much. I think what he was getting at is too many are more worried about the RGB than they are the performance.

Latency is only half the equation. Frequency is the other.
3200 C14 is decent ram. Id take it over say 4000 C19.
Thanks for the clarification.

I just read about the different dyes out there and it looks like the Samsung B dye is preferred for max fps gains. I found this kit below, granted I do love the look of this royal kit with RGB.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-...9SIACVB8ZG0892

anything over 32 Gb beneficial these days in overclocking / gaming? Would this pair up nicely with a 9980XE or 9940X? The difference in the price is about 1k. Thinking about max lanes anyway.

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Not really actually 4x8gb kits are usually way more than anyone really needs but quad channel requires at least 4 sticks and haven't seen b-die on anything less than 8gb sticks in a very long time.

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post #3233 of 3315 (permalink) Old 12-02-2019, 12:37 PM
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Is it relatively easy to OC a 3600Mhz RAM kit to 4000Mhz? I'm trying to decide between 64GB @ 4000Mhz or 128GB @ 3600Mhz. I really need 4000Mhz - both kits are priced similarly.
It's going to really depend on the quality of your IMC. Some will struggle to hit 4000MHz stable (verified with GSAT, HCI, or Ramtest), but it seems like most are capable of 3800MHz. I have a 3600 CL16 Trident Z RGB kit (B-die) that I'm currently running at 4000 16-18-16-36 at 1.42V for daily use. This kit is capable of more, but the limiting factor is my IMC, which is already above average I would say. I can't even boot 4200MHz, regardless of timings or voltages. It could be related to the motherboard, but my guess is it's the IMC on this 7980XE.

To more directly answer your question, if it's B-die, then overclocking the memory modules from 3600 to 4000 should not be very difficult. The limiting factor will be your IMC. As far as capacity goes, only get more if you need it. Getting a 4000MHz kit will guarantee silicon quality for the said timings on the box, although that doesn't mean you're guaranteed much beyond that. For example, my 3600 CL16 kit is a better overclocker than a 4000 CL17 kit I tested.

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post #3234 of 3315 (permalink) Old 12-02-2019, 04:39 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by ESRCJ View Post
It's going to really depend on the quality of your IMC. Some will struggle to hit 4000MHz stable (verified with GSAT, HCI, or Ramtest), but it seems like most are capable of 3800MHz. I have a 3600 CL16 Trident Z RGB kit (B-die) that I'm currently running at 4000 16-18-16-36 at 1.42V for daily use. This kit is capable of more, but the limiting factor is my IMC, which is already above average I would say. I can't even boot 4200MHz, regardless of timings or voltages. It could be related to the motherboard, but my guess is it's the IMC on this 7980XE.

To more directly answer your question, if it's B-die, then overclocking the memory modules from 3600 to 4000 should not be very difficult. The limiting factor will be your IMC. As far as capacity goes, only get more if you need it. Getting a 4000MHz kit will guarantee silicon quality for the said timings on the box, although that doesn't mean you're guaranteed much beyond that. For example, my 3600 CL16 kit is a better overclocker than a 4000 CL17 kit I tested.
Yep same situation here

After 2002 bios update I was so happy I could boot 4000... about 50% of the time lol

As far as capacity, 32gb is plenty for all but a few very specialized applications

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Quote: Originally Posted by ESRCJ View Post
It's going to really depend on the quality of your IMC. Some will struggle to hit 4000MHz stable (verified with GSAT, HCI, or Ramtest), but it seems like most are capable of 3800MHz. I have a 3600 CL16 Trident Z RGB kit (B-die) that I'm currently running at 4000 16-18-16-36 at 1.42V for daily use. This kit is capable of more, but the limiting factor is my IMC, which is already above average I would say. I can't even boot 4200MHz, regardless of timings or voltages. It could be related to the motherboard, but my guess is it's the IMC on this 7980XE.

To more directly answer your question, if it's B-die, then overclocking the memory modules from 3600 to 4000 should not be very difficult. The limiting factor will be your IMC. As far as capacity goes, only get more if you need it. Getting a 4000MHz kit will guarantee silicon quality for the said timings on the box, although that doesn't mean you're guaranteed much beyond that. For example, my 3600 CL16 kit is a better overclocker than a 4000 CL17 kit I tested.
Well I'm going to be using the 10980Xe on the RVIE Encore MoBo - I got the 4000Mhz C19 Dominator RGB 64GB but I'm wondering if I should exchange it for the 3600Mhz C18 128GB kit. I guess at that level it doesn't make much of a difference? I need at least 64GB but the price of the 128GB is just a couple of 100 bucks more...hmm...
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Thanks for the clarification.

I just read about the different dyes out there and it looks like the Samsung B dye is preferred for max fps gains. I found this kit below, granted I do love the look of this royal kit with RGB.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-...9SIACVB8ZG0892

anything over 32 Gb beneficial these days in overclocking / gaming? Would this pair up nicely with a 9980XE or 9940X? The difference in the price is about 1k. Thinking about max lanes anyway.

Putting my Case Labs TH10 with pedestal together again with this new build. Been sitting in a corner for a couple of years with 4x Monsta 480 rads and 32 fans lol. Ugh, just the thought of putting this thing back together is a brain drain lol but still excited none the less.
Im running 64GB quad channel 8x8. Ive always had better luck clocking 8GB sticks over 16GB sticks.
The link you provided is a bit steep. 3rd party seller on Newegg. I know they carried it before for a lot less. Id look around a bit before paying that gouged price.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-...LoXwnFt6GGaIvg

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My 9920x gets over 100c on load at 1.195 vcore. I have the EK monoblock and 1 360 rad. Does this sound like a block issue or a mounting issue?
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My 9920x gets over 100c on load at 1.195 vcore. I have the EK monoblock and 1 360 rad. Does this sound like a block issue or a mounting issue?
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My 9920x gets over 100c on load at 1.195 vcore. I have the EK monoblock and 1 360 rad. Does this sound like a block issue or a mounting issue?
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My 9920x gets over 100c on load at 1.195 vcore. I have the EK monoblock and 1 360 rad. Does this sound like a block issue or a mounting issue?
Probably normal for 7920X, but seems a little high for 9920X. I know my 7980XE would be way over 100c at that voltage. But with 6 less cores and solder, 9920X should be lower. The monoblock can be tough to seat on the CPU

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