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post #2441 of 4104 (permalink) Old 10-19-2018, 07:20 PM
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Features don't come for free so generally you know so either a board is making less margins (i.e. profit) or there's something cut from it. Obviously you would rather go for lower margin boards rather than cut down ones.
I'm not referencing any user made charts. The features and VRM choice of the Gigabyte Aorus line put it in competition with the Asus Maximus line, and Asrock Taichi / Phantom Gaming 9 models. I think its short selling the Aorus Pro models by suggesting they're up against the STRIX, any of the MSI models announced (excepting the vastly overpriced "Godlike"), or the Asrock Phantom Gaming 6.

The Gigabyte Aorus Pro Wifi in particular seems to be the best value proposition without any real feature compromise, given that the Asrock Phantom Gaming 9 comes at a significant additional cost for the extra features you mentioned, and the Asus Maximus line seems overpriced in general, as expected with Asus.

Maybe I seem like a Gigabyte fanboy, but I've never personally used anything other than Asus boards from what brands are currently available, though as a semi-retired system builder, I've built many Asrock and Gigabyte motherboard based systems for customers.

It seems like you're acknowledging most of the features beyond what's available on the Aorus Pro Wifi have limited use case, 3rd M.2, third party extra LANs, etc., so that's why I asked if maybe I was missing some meaningful features.


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Is an ASUS Maximus XI Formula with a be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 and an Intel Core i9-9000K a good match? If it is not, what is a good extremely quiet pump?

Anyone buying a i9-9900K with a decent motherboard is holding themselves back without going for custom water.


I'd say a D5 pump with 280 or 360 copper radiator and a copper CPU waterblock is a minimum if you want to have a sufficient gain over the 4.7GHz all core clock.


You shouldn't be buying the Formula instead of the Code or Hero if you aren't using custom water. The Formula omits a heatpipe and the extra fin area on the VRM heatsink in favor of the VRM waterblock.


edit: for Brazil here's some parts I saw

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Based on Der8auer’s findings of the thicker solder and silicon on the chip, I wonder if custom water will even be enough. It might that the CPU water block cannot pull heat away quickly enough because of poor heat conductivity inside the IHS.
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Thank you.

Please, recommend me all components and its quanties (tubes, fitings, coolant, etc) for a great water cooler to use with those components plus a be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 rev. 2. I would like to make that thing extremely quiet.

My preference for the Formula is because just it and Extreme have 2.5+G ethernet.
Just wondering, but if the only reason you are leaning toward the Formula is for Ethernet Capacity, why not choose a different cheaper board that offers the Ethernet Capacity you are looking for at a much lower price point.

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https://www.intel.com/content/dam/ww...heet-vol-1.pdf

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As of now, GENE will not be available in the US. If we see enough demand possibly but due to high cost and specific focus on OC it is not being brought in. If you want the SAME VRM design then it would be the EXTREME. GENE and EXTREME share the same VRM. HERO/FORMULA/CODE are 8+2 no phase extender with OptiMos 302045 and the EXTREME and GENE are 10+2 no phase extender and use IR3555
This seems weird... Well if you aren't going to release the best mATX to us, can you give us a GOOD matx?

I'm frustrated that I have a matx case and a i9 9900 that's been on preorder for a few weeks and now I have no good mobo for it. (Yes I have a custom loop planned out).

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I've sort of got a rough figure for power and current from some reviews (see post https://www.overclock.net/forum/27675542-post2421.html)


Interesting that 1.52V and 193A current is the suggested limit.


The datasheet wasn't up earlier, so it was added relatively recently today.

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ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero (LGA 1151v2, Intel Z390);
9900K @4.8GHz 1,225V ~260W (NZXT Kraken X72 CPU @100C) VRM 81C 240W (4*2 SiC634)
VRM, not heatsink temperature can be seen under watermark
they also note custom water needed for better OC
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Anandtech updated their review of 9900K.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400...600k-review/21

Ian Cutress: I've redone the power numbers on the MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Edge AC. There was an issue with the ASRock Z370 motherboard supplying 1.47 volts at load. Benchmarking seems unaffected, but power numbers look a bit better, around 166W for the 9900K and 123W for the 9700K.



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So manually clocking a 9900K on a Taichi with additional cooling should be enough?

I'm looking for a 5.1-5.2 ghz OC at around 1.3V.

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Anandtech updated their review of 9900K.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400...600k-review/21

Ian Cutress: I've redone the power numbers on the MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Edge AC. There was an issue with the ASRock Z370 motherboard supplying 1.47 volts at load. Benchmarking seems unaffected, but power numbers look a bit better, around 166W for the 9900K and 123W for the 9700K.


They were off the charts, compared to other reviews indeed.
These seem allright.

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