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post #4171 of 4211 (permalink) Old 09-15-2019, 06:10 PM
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From what I can tell the Gene and Extreme boards both have the same vrm. Since they are different boards there are probably some differences in performance like the Gene oc memory better but yeah. Apex XI has bigger VRM but also has no GPU output if you wanted that. I think in most cases you wouldn't really notice much difference to be honest so pick which board has features you like best.

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Will the Gene's VRM heatsink be enough to passively cool a 5.0 GHz 9900K under water?

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Will the Gene's VRM heatsink be enough to passively cool a 5.0 GHz 9900K under water?
More than enough. I have the same VRM on my Extreme, and Gene's heat sink should be more than capable to handle them.

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Aiming for 5GHz on all cores on a 9900K(/KF) cooled by a Cooler Master ML360 and I was looking at ASUS Maximus XI boards. But apparently they're not as good for overclocking? (Aorus Master for the price of the Hero is as good as Maximus XI Extreme?)

Will I benefit from a beefier VRM than on the Hero for my fairly not-so-ambitious overclock goals?
For 5ghz, they're all fine. The problem with the 9900k is cooling the chip itself. You can get unlucky and get a poor OC'er that has issue getting to 5ghz so don't just assume you're guaranteed a 5ghz all core performer.

If was getting an Asus board in the Maximus line, I'd personally get an Apex.
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For 5ghz, they're all fine. The problem with the 9900k is cooling the chip itself. You can get unlucky and get a poor OC'er that has issue getting to 5ghz so don't just assume you're guaranteed a 5ghz all core performer.

If was getting an Asus board in the Maximus line, I'd personally get an Apex.
Thank you!

1. What is the performance difference in games in having one core at 5GHz vs all cores at 5GHz?
2. Am I guaranteed a boost to 5GHz on the first core at stock settings, assuming thermals are under control?
3. Should I expect thermal throttling in games even at stock settings with a CM 360 cooler?

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Besides the Gene XI for mATX, what's the next best board that's more budget friendly?

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I've just ordered Godlike for, hm.. 440$ I think. Any drawbacks about this MB I should consider when paying for it?
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Quote: Originally Posted by ahnafakeef View Post
Thank you!

1. What is the performance difference in games in having one core at 5GHz vs all cores at 5GHz?
2. Am I guaranteed a boost to 5GHz on the first core at stock settings, assuming thermals are under control?
3. Should I expect thermal throttling in games even at stock settings with a CM 360 cooler?
1. Depends on game. You can always OC to all cores 4.9 which any 9900k will do. The diff between 4.9 and 5.0 is not something you'll experience in any game.
2. Yes. A chip wouldn't leave intel test facility if it couldn't. You can easily RMA a chip like that.
3. Games are way less taxing than CPU benchmarks and stress test. 360 AIO is plenty fine
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Hi,

Can someone maybe help me to get new motherboard for 9900k?

Budget 200 to 250€ and I prefer to get wifi/bluethooth with it.
I have thinking these boards but I can't decide which one to get:

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F GAMING
ASRock Z390 Extreme4
Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI
MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON AC

Thank you very much for the help!
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Hi,

Can someone maybe help me to get new motherboard for 9900k?

Budget 200 to 250€ and I prefer to get wifi/bluethooth with it.
I have thinking these boards but I can't decide which one to get:

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F GAMING
ASRock Z390 Extreme4
Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI
MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON AC

Thank you very much for the help!
if you're going to get Gigabyte, get the Ultra over the Pro, great VRM setup, and much better VRM heatsink.

"So it could handle an OC'd 9600k just fine?

It should be able to handle an overclocked i9-9900K as well with a bit of luck. :-P

However the Ultra and Master have definitely the bigger and better heat-sinks over the VRMs.

So, if you opt for an i9-9900K that costs a fortune + overclock, i would spend a bit more on the motherboard.

Now, i would strongly recommend for not getting the Master but instead opt for the Ultra!

And that for two reasons.

The Master uses a 40A power stage (IR3553) and the Ultra uses a 50A power stage (SiC634)

And secondly and most important the Master is using simple doublers (IR3599), but the Ultra does use the more advanced doublers. (ISL6617)

And these doublers are supporting current balancing and this makes them the better doublers.

Actually this is what makes these doublers to be better:

Patented Current Balancing with DCR Current Sensing and Adjustable Gain

Followed by this...

Channel current balance is essential in achieving the thermal advantage of multiphase operation. With good current balance, the power loss is equally dissipated over multiple devices and a greater area.

Sorry it took that long, but i consulted the manual to be sure. :-P"


"Yes but the ultra has the better VRM heat-sinks!

https://www.gigabyte.com/FileUpload/...aldesign-s.jpg

1. Multi-Cut Heatsink

Multiple fin-cut on heatsink to improve thermal performance by increasing heat dissipation surface and maintain stylish aesthetic.

2. Direct Touch Heatpipe

Direct Touch Heatpipe helps transfer heat from MOSFET to heatsink, also connects two parts of MOSFET heatsink for the best cooling performance.

3. Thick Thermal Pad

By using 1.5mm thicker thermal pad, it can provide better contact pressure between heatsink and components and faster heat transfer.
The VRM heat-sinks of the Pro are simpler.

https://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/cont...eview_full.jpg

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Quote: Originally Posted by KedarWolf View Post
if you're going to get Gigabyte, get the Ultra over the Pro, great VRM setup, and much better VRM heatsink.

"So it could handle an OC'd 9600k just fine?

It should be able to handle an overclocked i9-9900K as well with a bit of luck. :-P

However the Ultra and Master have definitely the bigger and better heat-sinks over the VRMs.

So, if you opt for an i9-9900K that costs a fortune + overclock, i would spend a bit more on the motherboard.

Now, i would strongly recommend for not getting the Master but instead opt for the Ultra!

And that for two reasons.

The Master uses a 40A power stage (IR3553) and the Ultra uses a 50A power stage (SiC634)

And secondly and most important the Master is using simple doublers (IR3599), but the Ultra does use the more advanced doublers. (ISL6617)

And these doublers are supporting current balancing and this makes them the better doublers.

Actually this is what makes these doublers to be better:

Patented Current Balancing with DCR Current Sensing and Adjustable Gain

Followed by this...

Channel current balance is essential in achieving the thermal advantage of multiphase operation. With good current balance, the power loss is equally dissipated over multiple devices and a greater area.

Sorry it took that long, but i consulted the manual to be sure. :-P"


"Yes but the ultra has the better VRM heat-sinks!

https://www.gigabyte.com/FileUpload/...aldesign-s.jpg

1. Multi-Cut Heatsink

Multiple fin-cut on heatsink to improve thermal performance by increasing heat dissipation surface and maintain stylish aesthetic.

2. Direct Touch Heatpipe

Direct Touch Heatpipe helps transfer heat from MOSFET to heatsink, also connects two parts of MOSFET heatsink for the best cooling performance.

3. Thick Thermal Pad

By using 1.5mm thicker thermal pad, it can provide better contact pressure between heatsink and components and faster heat transfer.
The VRM heat-sinks of the Pro are simpler.

https://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/cont...eview_full.jpg
Thank you for the reply.

What about the Asus? For overclocking it should be surely better then the MSI and overall performance:

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_page...review,19.html
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_page...review,18.html

EDIT: The Asus seems to overclock better than the Gigabyte Master too: https://www.guru3d.com/articles_page...review,19.html. On the other side, the Gigabyte has the better VRM cooling performance over the Asus and MSI.

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