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post #11 of 55 (permalink) Old 05-20-2018, 09:03 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Martin778 View Post
I have one too, a decent board but offers nothing more (in fact it has less features) than what a €300 board can do.
If you're an EVGA fan or want to do LN2 - go get it! Otherwise I'd stick to a Taichi XE.
Martin, in what way does the Taichi XE have more features? I have yet to purchase, so your comment could be helpful. While I like the engineering of the EVGA, the ASRocks are significantly cheaper in my country.
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This, this is by far the most durable X299 board you'd ever find. It would have been the best if they 'd put the BIOS from APEX on it, especially when it comes to fan control
I agree, 2 pwm fan headers are uncommon, but an extention board and /or dedicated controller at this level isn't a stretch. Running peripherals direct from power supply rather than the board is really what you should want to do anyway. I cant run my Iwaki pump from a motherboard and requires a separate 24v psu and have used a fan controller since my first build.
I'm still waiting on a decent quad kit to arrive, so cant comment on memory clocking. The quad E die kit i'm using now, isn't a good judge of capability. So far, the cpu is clocking better than expected and dont believe any more bios settings would make a real difference at this point. Everyone has there own needs and experiences. I'm really happy with the Dark so far. Again, coming from a long string of Apexs', Impacts, OCF's, and SOC's.

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Just received ram i was waiting for. Nice 4x8gb Corsair Dominator's. 3600c16 @ 1.35v. The specs say 16-18-18, but when i set Xmp and was able to boot in, cpuid is telling me 16-16-16. On the EVGA X299 Dark you need to manually adjust VSA and VCCIO voltages to be able to boot in with XMP setting on these, and i imagine, with any other sticks at or above 3600mhz. I also manually changed ram frequency setting to 3600 as well, not on auto. This set booted in fine with 1.15v VSA and 1.1875v VCCIO. Middle ground. I have not tested or tried lowering yet. Hope to tighten up timings and also push for higher ram frequency. This is definitely a step up from quad channel on Haswell-E and X99, I skipped Broadwell-E.
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Just received ram i was waiting for. Nice 4x8gb Corsair Dominator's. 3600c16 @ 1.35v... This is definitely a step up from quad channel on Haswell-E and X99, I skipped Broadwell-E.
Is there any disadvantage from buying 2 boxes of 2x8GB RAM (identical RAM packs)? I had my eye on this stuff and was just going to buy 2 packs when the price falls to an ebb. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cvG...g3200hc14adc01

Put another way, is buying a 4x8GB pack better than 2x2x8GB?

I am on Haswell currently at 2400CL13. I've held out this long. 3200CL14 seems a big leap.
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4x8GB is always better 'theoretically' as they will be from the same production run.

That said I've had no issues whatsoever running 2 different 2x8 kits, just make sure you don't mix them up in the same channel.

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Is there any disadvantage from buying 2 boxes of 2x8GB RAM (identical RAM packs)? I had my eye on this stuff and was just going to buy 2 packs when the price falls to an ebb. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cvG...g3200hc14adc01

Put another way, is buying a 4x8GB pack better than 2x2x8GB?

I am on Haswell currently at 2400CL13. I've held out this long. 3200CL14 seems a big leap.
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4x8GB is always better 'theoretically' as they will be from the same production run.

That said I've had no issues whatsoever running 2 different 2x8 kits, just make sure you don't mix them up in the same channel.
Manufacturers are binning and matching kits based on similar characteristics and operating parameters. It is possible to run different dual channel kits in quad, but for best performance and compatibility it is always recommended to buy a quad channel kit.

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Martin, in what way does the Taichi XE have more features? I have yet to purchase, so your comment could be helpful. While I like the engineering of the EVGA, the ASRocks are significantly cheaper in my country.
The Taichi has more and better fan adjustments, more power limit options (The DARK doesn't have any power limit settings at all?!) and if I remember correctly it also has more detailed LLC settings, whereas the Dark only has auto/enabled/disabled.

I wouldn't buy any expensive X299 stuff (or X299 at all) since Intel confirmed 8-cores coming into the mainstream. I can't flip my 1 month old Dark for 425 where they cost 550 new, gives you a hint on what the X299 market is, simply dead.

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The Taichi has more and better fan adjustments, more power limit options (The DARK doesn't have any power limit settings at all?!) and if I remember correctly it also has more detailed LLC settings, whereas the Dark only has auto/enabled/disabled.

I wouldn't buy any expensive X299 stuff (or X299 at all) since Intel confirmed 8-cores coming into the mainstream. I can't flip my 1 month old Dark for 425 where they cost 550 new, gives you a hint on what the X299 market is, simply dead.
There are 10+core and up processors for HEDT platform and Intel will be releasing a HEDT refresh. HEDT is nor x299 is dead. Same socket and will be compatible with refresh chips.
Lets try some positive posts for a change and not rowing on x299 and this motherboard. All your complaints have simple work arounds or solutions. Again, you didn't pick the right motherboard to meet your expectations or needs.

Back to this board and overclocking.
Working slowly up. By bumping VSA to 1.875, VCCIO to 1.2v and Input to 2. 00v the oc now sits at 48/32 - 1.229v/1.1v and 3600c14 @ 1.45v. Very easy and nothing unexpected. It seems some of those settings in other bios' are not really needed to obtain a good oc. This board and bios is extremely straight forward and really i am beginning to see that as a plus. Less to worry about and lets you efficiently work on an overclock with less distractions.

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The Taichi has more and better fan adjustments, more power limit options (The DARK doesn't have any power limit settings at all?!) and if I remember correctly it also has more detailed LLC settings, whereas the Dark only has auto/enabled/disabled.
Interesting; thanks Martin.

While the fan adjustment is irrelevant to me (I use an Aquaero) I was unaware of the more limited LLC options on the Dark. Not a big deal, and probably something they could improve with a Bios update.
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Lets try some positive posts for a change and not rowing on x299 and this motherboard.
Yup, I agree. We all know that the consumer chips from AMD and Intel offer great bang for buck. But there is a clear market for HEDT for customers that are either hungry for cores or for PCIe lanes. The space between consumer and HEDT has been narrowing so it will be interesting to see Intel's next move.

I've noticed some tremendous value X299 m/bs out there... OC Formula and i9 XE for c.£245 and £270 respectively which for Europe is dead cheap!!! In comparison Dark - in Europe - costs c.£440.
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