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post #2741 of 3365 (permalink) Old 03-17-2019, 12:55 AM
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I've seen that sometimes when you switch from manual to auto voltages, it won't set the auto voltage correctly under certain conditions (and uses the last set manual voltage) while other settings get applied (like loadline calibration, etcc), then when you reboot again the voltage gets applied. There's also a thing where if you switch from DVID offset to auto, the dvid offset still gets applied (not sure if rebooting a 2nd time clears it). But about the first thing, some combinations of settings triggers it. I saw that once this morning when I switched from AC/DC loadline 1/1 and 1.20v and turbo LLC, to 160/160 and auto voltages+standard LLC, and on the first reboot to bios to check, the vcore settings showed the new setting but the sensors showed a 1.20v + normal LLC setting (1.176v) reading, then another 'exit without saving' prompt and then it showed 1.296v in the sensors, which I knew was correct.

Now if you changed nothing, I don't know. Was your system powered off?
System was still on, as it's running 24/7. Only gets reboots when needed.
Can't remember if I rebooted after testing prime small fft's with avx yesterday.
I know when I ran it yesterday without any setting changed it dropped to 1.300V max and 1.284ish while running.
This morning I started it up and it jumped to 1.340V with too little package power to create 99C of heat ... bit weird.

After rebooting tho ... it seems to work normal again ... tested at least 3 runs of prime small fft's without avx and 1 or 2 with avx and voltages are behaving normal again.

You must admit that these voltage values do look way more appealing then the values from my screenshots before:
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i9 9900K: Base Clock = 100 | CPU Clock Ratio = 50 | AVX Offset = Auto | Uncore Ratio = 47 | Internal AC/DC Load Line = Turbo | AC Loadline = 1 | DC Loadline = 1 | Vcore Loadline Calibration = Medium | Vcore = Normal | DVID = +0.100V | BCLK Adaptive Voltage = Disabled | SVID offset = Disabled | VCCIO = 1.150V (1.133V) | VCCSA = 1.200V (1.212V)| Intel Turbo Boost Technology = Disabled | Intel SST = Auto | C-States = C3 | CPU EIST Function = Auto
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Hmm ... changed the following:
MP = 50 --> 51
AVX offset = Auto --> 1
DVID = +0.005V --> +0.015V --> Nope
DVID = +0.025V --> Nope
DVID = +0.035V

Boots into windows nicely ... testing testing ...

Where I could get sorta stable earlier at 5.1 prime small FFT's without avx at around 1.314V
I would get BSOD's or whea erros if I went lower.

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System was still on, as it's running 24/7. Only gets reboots when needed.
Can't remember if I rebooted after testing prime small fft's with avx yesterday.
I know when I ran it yesterday without any setting changed it dropped to 1.300V max and 1.284ish while running.
This morning I started it up and it jumped to 1.340V with too little package power to create 99C of heat ... bit weird.

After rebooting tho ... it seems to work normal again ... tested at least 3 runs of prime small fft's without avx and 1 or 2 with avx and voltages are behaving normal again.

You must admit that these voltage values do look way more appealing then the values from my screenshots before:
I'm 100% certain your settings were not applied somewhere. CPU Package power is VID * Amps and Power (POUT) is VR VCore * Amps. Something was unlinking VR VOUT to VID, but you were unable to get a hwinfo screenshot in time. A full ss would have given some ideas.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
I'm 100% certain your settings were not applied somewhere. CPU Package power is VID * Amps and Power (POUT) is VR VCore * Amps. Something was unlinking VR VOUT to VID, but you were unable to get a hwinfo screenshot in time. A full ss would have given some ideas.
Thanks for explaining none the less ... I was like ... wth is going on here ... after rebooting and seeing it handled itself fine again, it gave some peace of mind ... but still ...

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I do very much like the power saving setting. Have not played with it a lot yet, but it seems to set my vid to normal values which compare to vr vout and my max vr vout stays WAY lower then with any other setting.
All other settings I've tried let it jump up to 1.380V.
With power saving I'm seeing 1.304V max VR VOUT as of now ... ran prime small fft's without avx for 5 minutes .... no problems at all ...
I do have to say that I see more voltage differences then with other loadline settings. It swings more up and down then with the others, but it looks like it's stable at just ups the voltage needed when it's needed. Seems to work better then with other loadlines ? At least that's my feeling ...

Testing DVID = +0.005V atm ... think I can go even lower.

Now this does make me hella curious if I can manage 5.1 / 4.7 with these settings ... of course I would need more dvid, but hell ... why not ?
Agreed. Offset +0.04 needed here only for Small FFT with AVX stability.

Edit: Also have :
- VCC PLL 1.16 (default 1.02)
- VCC PLL_OC 1.31 (dedault 1.25)

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Quote: Originally Posted by lucasfrance View Post
Agreed. Offset +0.04 needed here only for Small FFT with AVX stability.

Edit: Also have :
- VCC PLL 1.16 (default 1.02)
- VCC PLL_OC 1.31 (dedault 1.25)
Thank you for sharing.

I'm running 5.1 / 4.7 avx offset = 1 DVID = +0.045V
max vr vout value so far = 1.356V
Prime small fft's without avx ran fine for about 5 min (it got hot, as I didn't give it time to cool down ... but ran fine none the less).
1 round of BFV ran fine too.

Was curious if I could get rid of my avx offset ... although my cooling is totally inadequate for 5.1 with avx small fft

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Agreed. Offset +0.04 needed here only for Small FFT with AVX stability.

Edit: Also have :
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- VCC PLL_OC 1.31 (dedault 1.25)
What is the benefit of these two settings?
What happens if you have them at default (1.02 and 1.25?)
Like what exactly happens? Can you verify the difference?

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Thank you for sharing.

I'm running 5.1 / 4.7 avx offset = 1 DVID = +0.045V
max vr vout value so far = 1.356V
Prime small fft's without avx ran fine for about 5 min (it got hot, as I didn't give it time to cool down ... but ran fine none the less).
1 round of BFV ran fine too.

Was curious if I could get rid of my avx offset ... although my cooling is totally inadequate for 5.1 with avx small fft
I stay away from 5.1 even if stable with an higher offset as temperature becomes too high for my liking :-) 5.0 all cores,is great already :-)
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What is the benefit of these two settings?
What happens if you have them at default (1.02 and 1.25?)
Like what exactly happens? Can you verify the difference?
Will give a try and post back.

I took these two settings from the Gigabyte Easytune setting for 5.2 before i completely uninstall it and configured my OC in BIOS.
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Thanks for that I had already tried this (strange as it seems) but alas that does not change anything either. Still stuck with no second drive
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