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post #1 of 43 (permalink) Old 01-16-2019, 01:58 PM - Thread Starter
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Need mobo direction for new build 9700K or maybe 9900K

Hey guys time to start looking for an upgrade to my seriously aging 4790K and Maximus VII Formula build. I'm looking at either a 9700K or 9900K due to the single thread performance which I still need for old stuff like Microsoft Flightsim X which seriously depends on max single thread performance to do well. I'm really lost on where to even start looking for boards this time though. Last time the field was seriously narrowed by wanting built in wifi and needing sound with built in headphone amp. I don't need EITHER of those this time around though. I want the capability to overclock but won't be planning on doing anything extreme though I may eventually go full water and try to push it a bit down the road just for fun. I don't do SLI so that's not concern either.

As long as the brand/model is reliable and the brand has pretty good customer service and driver updates I'm open. I was thinking of EVGA's Z390 FTW since I've run their boards before but it's been a while and I know they had some pretty bad products for a while in that segment. I'm on Asus now and it's been ok other than a notable lack of real updates not too far in. I haven't used Gigabyte before though I've always heard good things. Trying to keep the board cost around or under 200 if possible but really don't want to go much/any past 250 if it can be helped. Especially since I'm not looking for the extra wifi or high end sound goodies like headphone amps.

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post #2 of 43 (permalink) Old 01-16-2019, 02:21 PM
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Z390 Aorus Ultra ($239) or AsRock Z390 Taichi ($224) get my vote. Taichi frequently dips to under $200 and has been as low as $180, but at current prices I'd go for the Aorus Ultra over the Taichi.

The cheapest I'd go with a 9700/9900K is the Aorus Pro ($189).

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Quote: Originally Posted by The Pook View Post
Z390 Aorus Ultra ($239) or AsRock Z390 Taichi ($224) get my vote. Taichi frequently dips to under $200 and has been as low as $180, but at current prices I'd go for the Aorus Ultra over the Taichi.

The cheapest I'd go with a 9700/9900K is the Aorus Pro ($189).
Thanks! I'm liking the look of the Ultra. Price is good. I don't necessarily need the wifi anymore but it's not a bad thing either. I was wifi until probably 8 months ago I upgraded to Google WiFi pucks and one of them is in my office and I'm hardwired to it instead of wifi to an Xfinity router at the other end of the house.

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post #4 of 43 (permalink) Old 01-16-2019, 02:49 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by flyinion View Post
Thanks! I'm liking the look of the Ultra. Price is good. I don't necessarily need the wifi anymore but it's not a bad thing either. I was wifi until probably 8 months ago I upgraded to Google WiFi pucks and one of them is in my office and I'm hardwired to it instead of wifi to an Xfinity router at the other end of the house.

Aside from VRM upgrades to support 8 cores, the main differences between Z370 and Z390 are built in 802.11ac/bluetooth and USB 3.1. All the boards without it aren't ones you'd want to run an 8 core on

Intel i9 9900K Coffee Lake @ X8 5309mhz (+47.5%)
AMD FX-8320 Vishera @ X4 5022mhz (+43.5%)
Intel i5 4690K Haswell @ X4 5013mhz (+43.2%)
AMD X4 960T Zosma @ X6 4870mhz (+62.3%)
Intel i7 6700 Skylake @ X4 4709mhz (+38.5%)
Intel i5 6400 Skylake @ X4 4588mhz (+69.9%)
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Sandisk Ultra II 480GB SSD
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Toshiba X300 5TB
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Western Digital EZRZ 3TB
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Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750w
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Corsair H115i Pro
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Fractal Design Meshify S2
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Windows 10 Education x64
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Dell E2311H
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CoolerMaster MasterKeys Pro S
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Audio
Philips SHP9500S
Audio
Audio Technica ATH-M50X
Audio
Monoprice Modern Retro
Audio
AudioSource LS100
Audio
Polk Audio PSW111
CPU
i3 8109U
Motherboard
Intel NUC8i3BEH
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Iris Plus 655
RAM
Kingston 8GB DDR4 2400
Hard Drive
Dierka K1 120GB
Keyboard
Rii RKM709 Wireless
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Logitech M510
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i7 860
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Advantech AIMB 280 ITX
GPU
EVGA GTX 950 2GB
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Quote: Originally Posted by The Pook View Post
Aside from VRM upgrades to support 8 cores, the main differences between Z370 and Z390 are built in 802.11ac/bluetooth and USB 3.1. All the boards without it aren't ones you'd want to run an 8 core on
Ahhhh good info to know, thanks!

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GSkill DDR3-2133
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Optiarc DVD-RW
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Corsair HX850
Cooling
Noctua NH-D14
Case
Cooler Master HAF-X
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Win10 Pro 64bit
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I'm running an i7-9700k on ASRock Z390 Taichi. It was trivial to overclock the CPU to 5.0GHz, even on auto settings for that board (obviously, it depends a bit on your silicon lottery draw with your particular CPU). But, from everything I can tell, I have about an average CPU. I can run it at 5.1GHz, but it isn't stable under stress test so I backed off to 5.0 with AVX offset of 3 (to keep the heat down under AVX load). Mine is air cooled with a Noctua NH-D15. You can see my whole build here: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/jfrien...d/#view=yrtLJx if you're curious. I got some nice Black Friday prices so prices will vary now.

If you're into serious memory overclocking beyond the XMP rating of your memory, then I'd stick with ASUS because they seem to have a lot more support here in the forums and in the BIOS for the nuances of memory overclocking. I did get my G.Skill 2x8 memory that was rated at [email protected] to go [email protected] on the Taichi, but it literally took me weeks to figure everything out. For memory overclocking, there appears to me to be a lot more support for ASUS Bios settings and timings here in the forum.

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I'm running an i7-9700k on ASRock Z390 Taichi. It was trivial to overclock the CPU to 5.0GHz, even on auto settings for that board (obviously, it depends a bit on your silicon lottery draw with your particular CPU). But, from everything I can tell, I have about an average CPU. I can run it at 5.1GHz, but it isn't stable under stress test so I backed off to 5.0 with AVX offset of 3 (to keep the heat down under AVX load). Mine is air cooled with a Noctua NH-D15. You can see my whole build here: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/jfrien...d/#view=yrtLJx if you're curious. I got some nice Black Friday prices so prices will vary now.

If you're into serious memory overclocking beyond the XMP rating of your memory, then I'd stick with ASUS because they seem to have a lot more support here in the forums and in the BIOS for the nuances of memory overclocking. I did get my G.Skill 2x8 memory that was rated at [email protected] to go [email protected] on the Taichi, but it literally took me weeks to figure everything out. For memory overclocking, there appears to me to be a lot more support for ASUS Bios settings and timings here in the forum.
Thanks! I don't really do memory overclocking. That stuff scares me with all the different variables and trying to figure out which one(s) caused whatever weird random crash happened. Maybe one of these days I'll try it. Any Asus recommendation? Or just pick whichever ROG series fits the budget and ignore their mainstream stuff?

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Intel 4790K
Motherboard
Asus Maximus VII Formula
GPU
EVGA GTX1070 SC Black
RAM
GSkill DDR3-2133
Hard Drive
WD2002FAEX
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 EVO
Optical Drive
Optiarc DVD-RW
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Corsair HX850
Cooling
Noctua NH-D14
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Cooler Master HAF-X
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Win10 Pro 64bit
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Thanks! I don't really do memory overclocking. That stuff scares me with all the different variables and trying to figure out which one(s) caused whatever weird random crash happened. Maybe one of these days I'll try it. Any Asus recommendation? Or just pick whichever ROG series fits the budget and ignore their mainstream stuff?
I'm an ASRock guy (3rd ASRock mobo in a row) so I don't know the Asus line. I like my ASRock Z390 Taichi so far if you're not doing heavy duty memory overclocking.

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I'm an ASRock guy (3rd ASRock mobo in a row) so I don't know the Asus line. I like my ASRock Z390 Taichi so far if you're not doing heavy duty memory overclocking.
Thanks I'll take a look at them. Honestly the Asus I'm using with my 4790K is the first one I've used since the early 2000's when I was on AMD stuff. I moved to an NForce board from EVGA after that for my last AMD build, and then a P55 from them for my first Intel build and then they had some QC/design issues around 2014 when I was building the 4790K and everyone was telling me Asus, Gigabyte, and ASRock. Asus just happened to fit the requirements I had at the time of built in wifi AND a headphone amp built in for high impedance headphones.

On a side note, I just looked at RAM prices. Wow that was some sticker shock! I was thinking I'd do 32GB instead of 16 this time around but uh, yeah, not too sure about that now.

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Aside from VRM upgrades to support 8 cores, the main differences between Z370 and Z390 are built in 802.11ac/bluetooth and USB 3.1. All the boards without it aren't ones you'd want to run an 8 core on
Man I totally read your post wrong originally. I though you were saying there were two different 390 configs and I needed to find ones with wifi for the 8 core 9xxx series. Sounds like you're just saying don't try to run them on a 370? Just curious because for example the EVGA Z390 FTW doesn't have wifi.

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Asus Maximus VII Formula
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