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To upgrade motherboard BIOS or not?

I'm running an ASRock Z390 Taichi with a nicely overclocked 9700k and overclocked RAM. System has been stable for 3 months and I'm happy with it. I'm running BIOS version 1.90.

ASRock makes available two new versions of the BIOS (2.0 and 4.0) in the last few months, both of which are labeled "Update Intel Microcode", but no explanation of what that updated Intel microcode does (performance, security, ??). The most recent version also has a disclaimer that once you upgrade, you can't downgrade back to an earlier version of the BIOS.

Should I upgrade the BIOS to pick up Intel Microcode changes which might improve performance or security? Or don't upgrade because my system is perfectly stable so why mess with something that works just fine?

How do you personally decide whether to install a new BIOS version in a system that's been stable for awhile?

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Personally I've never been hurt OC wise by a bios update. Just kinda annoying it usually deletes all the settings lol even if you save a profile (not sure if ASRocks work like this, EVGA and Asus do)

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If the new BIOS has features/fixes that I need, then I update. Otherwise I don't.

Been happy on 1.8 myself

I'm assuming the "microcode update" they're referencing is for the new R0 9900K stepping.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/9t...ing,38932.html

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Word got out that motherboard manufacturers in the likes of ASRock, Asus, and Gigabyte have already started rolling out BIOS updates for Intel 300-series motherboards to house Intel's upcoming 9th-generation Core processors with the R0 stepping. However, Gigabyte has gone the extra mile and listed all the models that will receive Intel's stepping treatment.

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Quote: Originally Posted by The Pook View Post
If the new BIOS has features/fixes that I need, then I update. Otherwise I don't.

Been happy on 1.8 myself

I'm assuming the "microcode update" they're referencing is for the new R0 9900K stepping.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/9t...ing,38932.html
If both of the microcode updates where just for support of future processors, then I'd certainly ignore them. But, they don't tell you what they actually are. The version numbers also seem strange 1.90 --> 2.0 --> 4.0.

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Quote: Originally Posted by jfriend00 View Post
I'm running an ASRock Z390 Taichi with a nicely overclocked 9700k and overclocked RAM. System has been stable for 3 months and I'm happy with it. I'm running BIOS version 1.90.

ASRock makes available two new versions of the BIOS (2.0 and 4.0) in the last few months, both of which are labeled "Update Intel Microcode", but no explanation of what that updated Intel microcode does (performance, security, ??). The most recent version also has a disclaimer that once you upgrade, you can't downgrade back to an earlier version of the BIOS.

Should I upgrade the BIOS to pick up Intel Microcode changes which might improve performance or security? Or don't upgrade because my system is perfectly stable so why mess with something that works just fine?

How do you personally decide whether to install a new BIOS version in a system that's been stable for awhile?
I had a Asrock Extreme4 z390 that came with a bricked BIOS, I did flash it afterwards, and it didn't help. Asrock also states that latest bios is NOT reversable to previous versions of BIOS, so it may help, or it may hurt, and you never know until you try it.

I actually managed to flash bios to earlier versions, but you may brick your board going backwards.

So mileage may vary, and no one can truly advice you for sure, because it's on board by board basis. I have Asrock Taichi z390 currently and I had it flashed to latest BIOS right away. Just to make sure it works with my 9900k to the best of its' abilities.

You will have to gamble with it a bit, if something happens, either do a replacement with retailer, or send the board for RMA to ASROCK

There is a wonderful saying in USA: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
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Quote: Originally Posted by jfriend00 View Post
I'm running an ASRock Z390 Taichi with a nicely overclocked 9700k and overclocked RAM. System has been stable for 3 months and I'm happy with it. I'm running BIOS version 1.90.

ASRock makes available two new versions of the BIOS (2.0 and 4.0) in the last few months, both of which are labeled "Update Intel Microcode", but no explanation of what that updated Intel microcode does (performance, security, ??). The most recent version also has a disclaimer that once you upgrade, you can't downgrade back to an earlier version of the BIOS.

Should I upgrade the BIOS to pick up Intel Microcode changes which might improve performance or security? Or don't upgrade because my system is perfectly stable so why mess with something that works just fine?

How do you personally decide whether to install a new BIOS version in a system that's been stable for awhile?
The BIOS update is simply for the new R0 stepping coming of Intel's 9th Generation Core CPUs. So, the only way you'd benefit from the BIOS update is if you were to buy one of the new R0 stepping CPUs.


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MS updates are updating Intel micro code so no that is not a good enough reason to do a bios update.

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The BIOS update is for the future 9th generation CPU like the i7 9700KF. That is what my most recent Gigabyte BIOS web page says.

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The BIOS update is simply for the new R0 stepping coming of Intel's 9th Generation Core CPUs. So, the only way you'd benefit from the BIOS update is if you were to buy one of the new R0 stepping CPUs.
That would be simplest for me as I can just ignore it. Where did you get this information?

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That would be simplest for me as I can just ignore it. Where did you get this information?
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14128...ore-processors

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/9t...ing,38932.html

A microcode BIOS update almost always means support for new CPUs.


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