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post #11 of 52 (permalink) Old 05-20-2020, 11:56 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
The values come from the AI prediction settings in the BIOS.
And I have no idea what temp is expected or needed for what speed. That stuff goes into the realm of microprocessor physics and is beyond me.
What I do know is that the predictions are based on CPU VID, cooler score and on Asus' own tests of various CPU's of different quality. There is no exact formula as the predicted BIOS set voltage at LLC4 may match the CPU VID at idle with ACDC Loadline at 0.01 (SVID Behavior=best case scenario) at 4.7ghz, for example, but at something like 5 ghz, the predicted BIOS set voltage will be much higher than the VID.

In my case, 4.7ghz VID was 1.140v (ACDC LL=0.01 mOhms) and BIOS prediction was 1.145v LLC4, but at 5 ghz, idle VID was 1.215v while predicted BIOS voltage to set was 1.285v LLC4.

Pretty sure the VIDs are based on an AC and DC Loadline and VRM Loadline (LLC=level 3=1.1 mOhms) all of 1.1 mOhms on Auto voltage (or Offset mode with 0mv offset), as I looked in laptop Bioses and laptops use a default ACDC Loadline of 1.1 mOhms on 10th gen H/HK parts and a fixed VRM Loadline (LLC) of 1.1 mOhms. But this gets over my head quickly.
Ok I get what your saying.

Yeah I was under the understanding that YOU somehow formulated the “expectations”

“Low end air cooler: 4.8 ghz
High end air cooler: 4.9 to 5 ghz
Good water AIO: 5 ghz-5.2 ghz, depending on chip quality
Custom loops, chilled water, delids: 5.2 ghz easy+, depending on quality
Extreme Torture stress tests: 4.8 ghz air, 5 ghz Water.”

I was curious as to how you could do this with out knowing what people should expect temp wise. It makes sense now that your saying the info above is what the ai software is saying and you basically copy pasted those values there.

With that said have you found that these new CPUs lose a lot of stability over 90c like the 9900k? What value would you say is a good value to shoot for and stay under? Stability wise.

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post #12 of 52 (permalink) Old 05-20-2020, 12:06 PM - Thread Starter
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Ok I think I get what your saying.

Yeah I was under the understanding that YOU somehow formulated the “expectations”

“Low end air cooler: 4.8 ghz
High end air cooler: 4.9 to 5 ghz
Good water AIO: 5 ghz-5.2 ghz, depending on chip quality
Custom loops, chilled water, delids: 5.2 ghz easy+, depending on quality
Extreme Torture stress tests: 4.8 ghz air, 5 ghz Water.”

I was curious as to how you could do this with out knowing what people should expect temp wise. It makes sense now that your saying the info above is what the ai software is saying and you basically copy pasted those values there.

With that said have you found that these new CPUs lose a lot of stability over 90c like the 9900k? What value would you say is a good value to shoot for and stay under?
Lower is always better. It's skylake cores. They scale extremely well on cold and hate heat.
The formulations are my own guessing. I didn't test with a NH-D15, but since my 9900K is delidded, die shaved down 200 microns and resealed, and also have LM between die and IHS, I did a test by disabling two cores on the 10900k, and found at 5.1 ghz at a set load VR VOUT, my modded 9900k with D15 got close to the same temps as the 360 AIO with an 8 core 10900K.

And the delidding and LM/sanding/relid/LM work on the 9900k dropped about 15C from a purely stock 9900k with Kryonaut. So that's what I based my guessing on.

I'll use the D15 when my own purchased retail chip arrives and I'll mess around with a Z490 Aorus Master.
Thermalright TFX needs to cure so I have no interest in removing the AIO. Plus my medical issues with the metal bar in my back and the pain and swelling...I only want to do as minimal bending over as possible.

So I'll test the Master open bench.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
Lower is always better. It's skylake cores. They scale extremely well on cold and hate heat.
The formulations are my own guessing. I didn't test with a NH-D15, but since my 9900K is delidded, die shaved down 200 microns and resealed, and also have LM between die and IHS, I did a test by disabling two cores on the 10900k, and found at 5.1 ghz at a set load VR VOUT, my modded 9900k with D15 got close to the same temps as the 360 AIO with an 8 core 10900K.

And the delidding and LM/sanding/relid/LM work on the 9900k dropped about 15C from a purely stock 9900k with Kryonaut. So that's what I based my guessing on.

I'll use the D15 when my own purchased retail chip arrives and I'll mess around with a Z490 Aorus Master.
Thermalright TFX needs to cure so I have no interest in removing the AIO. Plus my medical issues with the metal bar in my back and the pain and swelling...I only want to do as minimal bending over as possible.

So I'll test the Master open bench.
Right on. Well that’s a good sign if you feel good enough with your review sample to go ahead and buy another setup on your own dime.

Any reason why the Z490 Aorus Master? Was the Asus not good enough to keep you on the Asus side this time?

Has your 9900K always been delided and die sanded or is this something you did more recently. I can’t remember from our previous convos.

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Right on. Well that’s a good sign if you feel good enough with your review sample to go ahead and buy another setup on your own dime.

Any reason why the Z490 Aorus Master? Was the Asus not good enough to keep you on the Asus side this time?

Has your 9900K always been delided and die sanded or is this something you did more recently. I can’t remember from our previous convos.
I completed sanding of the chip late last year. I originally delidded and resealed more than a year ago.

I received the Z490 Aorus Master from Gigabyte Taiwan for my help in fixing the DVID bug on the Z390, but I haven't used it yet. I haven't even opened it except to look at the manual.
So naturally I want to test it with a retail chip, as well as see which chip has a lower VID and better overclocking (the ES with retail stepping or the retail chip).
But the 12 Extreme's BIOS is just SO good...

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thanks for this

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Hi,
Cinebench R20 for 10900k looking like 6400 multicore score.
If so not quite what I got on 7900x at 6428 at probably 4.9
R15 extreme 719
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Do you know when bios 0508 will be ready for the Formula?
Just set it up.
But have just the older version.
What are the downsides?

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Can someone help me read these mem timings for my Formula XII and help me adjust what you think will be better for performance PLEASE!! Im 4x8GB sticks B-Die @ 4133MT/s
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You can check your SP level in your BIOS.
Average chip is 63. This is what most people will get.

The LN2 world record chip is 117.

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Can someone help me read these mem timings for my Formula XII and help me adjust what you think will be better for performance PLEASE!! Im 4x8GB sticks B-Die @ 4133MT/s
changed to 500 TRFC and stable.... What other settings matter?

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