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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 07-12-2020, 05:55 AM - Thread Starter
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Which boards support non k overclocking?

Mainly looking at the Gigabyte Z490 Vision G and my problem is I'm torn between the 10700 and the 10600k. Apparently with some overclocking of the bclk and power limits the 10700 is pretty much the clear winner, but it seems some motherboards don't support this on non k cpu's, so how do you know which can do it? Or if anything, can the board I mentioned do it?

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AsRock. overclocking isn't really what it does, it just lets the CPU boost in the highest P-State longer. you're not getting any extra/higher clocks.

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Called the Base Frequency Boost (BFB) technology, it will allow for overclocking the non-K processors on chipsets like B460 and H470. How will that work you might wonder? Well, ASRock will take the TDP of the CPUs and make it run in the PL1 mode, which increases the processor TDP form 65 W and turns it into a 125 W TDP beast.

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Actual BCLK overclocking is gone, you can only tune it to squeeze out some more Hz, nothing more and just raising the PL does nothing as proven by Gamers Nexus. Go for 10700 only if you need the extra 4 threads.

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See thats what I was coming up with, but then theres this https://www.techpowerup.com/review/i...-10700/20.html Which is using an asus board to do that. Which is where my confusion comes in. They say most any board will do the bclk tweak but I'm less sure on if any board will do the PL1 and PL2 tweaks. I recall you could do it on laptops with throttlestop but I haven't really messed with those limits other than that.

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it's likely like Z390 where IME prevents any non-K SKU from booting much above 102. My Taichi will run >200 BCLK with my 9900K but when I put in a G5400 it won't post above 102.5. BCLK OCing non-K has been dead since Skylake.

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After reading and reading, yes you're right it doesn't do crap.... For the i5's. I'm seeing like 8% boosts on the 10500/10600. However, on the 10700 it's boosting it around 21% or an extra freakin 1000+ points on R20. The 10600k and up all use the 10 core die but 10600 non k and down use a 6 core die and maybe its not as good.

However, even with all the tweaks the 10700 would still only be running 4.4-4.5ish 99% of the time whereas I could push the 10600k to 5ghz all core.

Final question then becomes, would I notice the difference in gaming? I run 144hz monitor 1080ti, mostly just play GTA... Of course the i5 is $40 cheaper. Hard decision.

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if a game can only utilize four threads then throwing more than 4 threads at it isn't going to do anything. look at CPU benchmarks of the games you play. If the most intensive game you play (and plan on ever playing) is GTA 5 then no it's not really worth it. GTA V (single player) is more than playable on a quad core without HT, go for a faster lower core count CPU.

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it's likely like Z390 where IME prevents any non-K SKU from booting much above 102.

What if you remove IME from BIOS image? I'm not sure to which extent you can do it on new boards but on older Z77 I could remove almost everything except few parts to actually let it boot.
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What if you remove IME from BIOS image? I'm not sure to which extent you can do it on new boards but on older Z77 I could remove almost everything except few parts to actually let it boot.

didn't bother to try with my rig since it's my main system. I just wanted some ez HWBOT points and when I realized I couldn't I just sold it off.

https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner/...cleaner-status

Coffee Lake has been listed as "untested" and since Coffee Lake is 2 years old I'd assume it's not possible but I dunno. HWBOT has some relatively intelligent overclockers and no one's done it yet thought so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Oh well. If I had 400 series board I'd try it but I went AMD. *sad frog noises*
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