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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 12-07-2019, 01:04 PM - Thread Starter
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Can we please talk about Water chillers?! 3950x cooling upgrade possibly

Currently, my 3950x is pretty tough to keep cool with my highend water cooling (EK 60mm 420 rad in push/pull fan config, D5, heatkiller Pro IV copper block cpu only loop) with CCD0 @ 4.525GHz and CCD1 @ 4.325GHz using 1.350v die and package temps will be VERY HARD to cool during summer times here in Atlanta Ga area. Absolutely always wanted to experiment with a waterchiller, more specifically the units performance-pcs sells. They seem priced right and have good reputations for being constant duty units (even though this pc will never be run for very long durations, its more of just a fun pc to play with) in the below links are the chillers im looking in to. Having a hard time deciding if 400watts will be enough or 790watts for extra insurance. Also, my current water cooling setup is 2 separate loops. 1 for cpu and 1 for gpu, but when I go chiller, do i combine both cpu and gpu and have the gpu reep the benefits of this type of cooling, or just keep it simple at first and make it cpu only at first...? I know people say to remove the rad from the chilled loop, but is this still the case? I mean it makes sense, might actually "ADD" heat into the loop, so i understand the theory behind it, but if i was to leave it in as a fail safe, is that bad?

I understand the whole condensation thing, i used to phase change cool with a "chilly1" phase changer back in the day with my FX55/FX57 overclocks, but these chillers I can set right to the dew point to minimize condensation, but of course i will do extra preventative measures to prevent hardware failure. Need your thoughts and opinions on this possible future cooling upgrade (pretty huge upgrade) hopefully someone has experience with waterchillers and can tell me yay or nay? Thank you

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https://www.performance-pcs.com/wate...r-hc-500a.html

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well, one big loop is traditionally a better option than splitting things, and if you keep the chiller set at a conservative temp, you shouldn't have any issues.

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well, lets do it. make it a group purchase maybe performance pcs will cut a few bucks off if we both purchase??

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ok, so im going to purchase this chiller ( https://www.performance-pcs.com/wate...r-hc-300a.html ) now the last final questions... Is there a res inside that unit i need to fill and use along with a res in my case? Would using 2 D5's in series be a good choice to go with, and do i mount them in my case, or what? really getting excited about this as this would be a HUGE cooling upgrade but i dont want to rush into this without doing all my homework?

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The 300 should be plenty for a 3950x running above the dew point. Go for the 500 if you want to add the radeon 7 to the loop. The unit has a res internally but you will need a pump. 1 D5 is plenty, you can put it wherever you want. You will want to get a humidistat (like $10 on amazon) if you don't have one. Then you can use a site like dpcalc.org to calculator/monitor your dew point.

Definitely take the rad out, if you are running the water below room temp, then the rad is adding heat to the loop instead of removing.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Hydroplane View Post
The 300 should be plenty for a 3950x running above the dew point. Go for the 500 if you want to add the radeon 7 to the loop. The unit has a res internally but you will need a pump. 1 D5 is plenty, you can put it wherever you want. You will want to get a humidistat (like $10 on amazon) if you don't have one. Then you can use a site like dpcalc.org to calculator/monitor your dew point.

Definitely take the rad out, if you are running the water below room temp, then the rad is adding heat to the loop instead of removing.
thanks for the reply. i was hoping to keep the rad in just for a failsafe, and on cold days when i dont need the chiller, it would be like using a normal loop. Also, performance pcs says to keep rad in, and i always wondered why. I understand the logic behind it, like it will add heat, but..... will it really be that much??

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Just spitballing here, but you could run the rad in parallel with the chiller and include shutoff valves on both, which would make switching between the 2 trivial.

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trying to think where on my loop i introduce the chiller into.. my loop is as follows, pump-res combo, rad, cpu block, res. So how do i plumb this chiller in? go like this maybe: Res - pump - out of case down to chiller - back into case to cpu block - res?

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Hi,
Air chilling is a lot more straight forward and can be used in other applications than water chiller can
Air chiller can be a backup if house a/c goes out or for outside events

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ok so can this CPU and GPU be chilled yes. first point go to the phase change section to get more information. second you will need at least twice the cooling capacity, of the load wattage to cool that component. so will a 500 watt cooler cool a 790 watt CPU? no it will not. in fact it will take at least 1500 watts of cooling to keep this cool. so it will take three 500 watt units to keep this CPU cool.

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