Originally Posted by CrazyElf
Great review. +Rep
Basically, the only benefit from these AIOs it seems is the looks and tall RAM DIMMs. Looking at things head on, with the Yate Loons, the 280L is more or less tied. Maybe a 1 degree for the 280L.
It's interesting to note that the top cooler right now is probably the Cryorig R1 Ultimate or perhaps the Noctua D15 (personally I think it's the R1 Ultimate), both of which would benefit more because they have a higher fin density. With that, the 1 degree gap (if it exists) might be closed.
But yeah I agree, it's basically a giant dual tower or full custom water.
I agree with the R1 and D15 being slightly better coolers than the Phanteks, but the difference is that, slight. Reading some of the reviews on all three coolers, the difference between all of them are less than 2C, which could easily be because of the fans used.
To sum it up a bit:
Phanteks: Thick heatpipes (5x8mm)
R1: denser black fins and 7x6mm heatpipes
The R1 seems like the cooler with the most potential, or a cooler that would scale the best with more powerful fans due to its design.
I guess another way we could put it is if a PH-TC14PE is roughly equal to a 280L, fans aside, then that means the R1, due to its design, is better than pretty much any AIO that is not a H320/360L
Originally Posted by doyll
Nicely done ... except for the Nepton exhausting inside of case.
28c reading of air going into PH-TC14PE (assume this is with system under full load a few minutes into run)
What was room temp?
What was Nepton intake air temp?
AIf room was 22-25c, the above data would lead me to think PH-TC14PE is actually cooling 3-5c better than Nepton.
Room temp was kept at a constant 80F during the whole test, as said in the review.
The Nepton intake air temp was 80F, as said in the review. I did take a surface temp of the intake temps, with the temp sensor on the surface setting, and it was the same as the room temps, 80F. Since the Nepton was mounted directly in front of the Haf XB, it directly sucks in fresh air, hence the 80F intake temp, and it isn't like the air dumped in the case will affect temps since the air already went through the rad.
If I set it to suck in air from inside the case, then the intake fan temps would be hotter since my graphics card is in there, motherboard components give off a bit of heat (PCH and VRMs mostly), and a case always traps some sort of heat, even with the panels open, as you said.
Originally Posted by Slink3Slyde
I note that this was also done with the Nepton exhausting its hot air into your case. I would imagine that if you were doing something that stresses both cpu and gpu such as folding you would see much higher gpu temps as well. Thanks for the comparison ! Have an internet point
Would also be interesting to see push pull on the Nepton vs 3 fans on th Phanteks. Ive seen a review where the H100 is about 4 c better in push pull and iirc an extra fan on the Phanteks gets you 2-3 c better temps.
I didn't stress the GPU at all when doing testing, unfortunately. I do recall someone in the official haf xb club saying that adding a top 200mm fan lowered graphics card temps by around 5 or 7C when having an AIO mounted up front (pushing hot air inside the case), so it does have a large influence on graphics card temps.
Push/pull isn't happening since I've already boxed it up to return, and I wouldn't be able to fit a second set of fans since my graphics card is too long. I'm also returning the Phanteks fans I bought too (I broke the original fans that came with the Phanteks, so I had to buy some more to make this review). As for adding another set of fans to the Phanteks, I might buy some more yate loons and do a quick triple fan temp reading. It won't be any time soon, though.
Originally Posted by ciarlatano
Very interesting.....the JetFlo fans are pretty incredible. Deafening, but incredible.
Doyll mentioned you running the fans as intake, and that seems to be implied in the beginning of the post - is that the case? If so, the showing by the Phanteks is much stronger than it appears on the surface since it is being used in its proper environment, while the 280L is being aided by a mounting that is not recommended.
Thanks for this post and all of your efforts! This is some great information.
That is the case.
I would have set it to pull in air from the case, but if I were to do that, the components inside the case would change the performance of the cooler. I just wanted to do a raw comparison between both coolers with the least amount of imposing variables, so having the fans set up as intake seemed like the best way to do it. As you said, when taking intake temps into consideration, the Phanteks actually edges the 280L a bit, even with the inherent advantage the 280L has with the way it's mounted, and the fact that there were no intake fans in front of my HAF XB to aid in getting some airflow to the Phanteks.
Thanks for reading
I was always thinking about this type of comparison, and I'm sure this info will serve as a great reference for those deciding to go AIO or Air, which I believe they should go with Air. It's simpler, less points of failure, and in my case (double pun?), it doesn't influence graphics card temps. Faster fans are required, though.