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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 10-30-2018, 01:52 PM - Thread Starter
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Front radiator/fans for Evolv X: 140 vs. 120?

Longtime lurker here. I'm planning a custom loop in a Phanteks Evolv X, and I was surprised to find that my rad of choice -- Hardware Labs Black Ice Nemesis 420 GTS Stealth -- won't fit up front. The 148mm opening in the PSU shroud is too small for the 420 GTS's 153mm girth. (Evidently the Evolv ATX had the same issue. Who knew? But it's disappointing that Phanteks didn't give us the extra 5mm needed when designing the X. I mean, c'mon, it's 5mm.)

I could dremel out the shroud, but honestly the case is just so lovely that I'd prefer not to do violence to it if I don't have to. So I'm considering other rad options, and hoping for input. Realistically, I see two choices:

1. Use a narrower 140mm rad. Hardware Labs's L-Series, their slimmed-down OEM line, has a 420 that is actually 140mm wide. (Interesting note, though: the L-Series only comes with a 2-year warranty, not HW Labs's normal lifetime warranty.) There are also offerings by Primochill, Magicool, Koolance, EK, etc., that would fit -- but frankly I prefer the superior build quality of HW Labs's stuff, the (admittedly smallish) performance advantages aside. That said, I have no experience with the L-Series, so I don't know if it's actually comparable to a 420 GTS Stealth. With less tubing inside, I'd expect slightly lesser performance from the L-Series.

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2. Switch to a 120mm rad. The Nemesis 360 GTS is obviously a frontrunner choice, but it's hard to find, and there are lots of other respectable 360s out there.

My dilemma is determining whether 140mm or 120mm will be the better choice in terms of noise-to-performance in a push-pull configuration. (The pure thermals, at least on the two HW Labs options above, are likely to be very close; I don't care about a 10% difference.) I'm looking for quiet over straight-up performance, which ordinarily would nudge me in the direction of 140mm fans: lower speeds, lower static pressures, less noise. I'm imagining six 120mm fans spinning up like a goddamned jet engine. But I haven't built with 120mm fans in so long that I've forgotten whether they're truly much louder.

Further complicating this is the design of the Evolv X's front panel. It uses a single row of fan-mount holes down one side, for both 120mm and 140mm fans. On the opposite side are two offset rows of holes, one for 140s and another for 120s. As a result, the area where the 140s' impellers would be is a bit blocked by the metal used to frame up the 120mm holes. I have to wonder if the blockage won't create more noise than just using (unblocked) 120mm fans.

Thoughts? I don't suppose anyone has run into the same issue with the Evolv X? Thanks!
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You could cut the shroud without making it ugly - cut the hole bigger with your tool of choice, smooth it out with a file, and finish it up with some U-Channel rubber molding and it'd look factory.

If your fan was blowing >300 CFM I could imagine something over the fan would add noise but at the speed PC fans I doubt it'll be an issue (but I don't own that case). Metal fan grills used to be super popular and I never had that issue with them.

For the question if a thin 140 rad or a thicker 120 radiator would be better ... I have no idea. I haven't water cooled in years - though I'd imagine it'd also depend largely on your fan choice.

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@jura had posted links to info on the L-Series. They are also sold under the Barrow name. Long and short of it....they aren't horrible, but certainly not like the GTS. Performance was similar to an XSPC EX series, but they are extremely restrictive.

I happen to be with you on preferring 140mm. However, I wound up using the 360 GTS in my Evolv ATX for the very reason you stated, and have been very satisfied. Three Phanteks 120MP at 850 rpm on it has been more than enough to cool OC'd 4790K and 1080 very efficiently without a problem. But, take that for what it is worth, as your heat load may be a lot different.

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So I ended up going with the 360 GTS, thanks in large part to your experience @ciarlatano . I'll be running a delidded OC'd 9700K and a 1080, so I figure my heat load actually would be reasonably similar to yours. I had to order the damn rad from overseas, though, since I couldn't find a single place in the U.S. that had it in stock. On the plus side, it's already arrived, and it looks fantastic -- no bent fins, not a scratch on the paint anywhere. I'd heard a couple reports of quality control issues, so that's a relief.

I'll try to post an update on performance, noise, etc., once I get the build done. It'll be a while, alas; I haven't even ordered the fittings yet, since I haven't been able to get all the major parts in to know for sure what their clearances are for tubing purposes.
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So I ended up going with the 360 GTS, thanks in large part to your experience @ciarlatano . I'll be running a delidded OC'd 9700K and a 1080, so I figure my heat load actually would be reasonably similar to yours. I had to order the damn rad from overseas, though, since I couldn't find a single place in the U.S. that had it in stock. On the plus side, it's already arrived, and it looks fantastic -- no bent fins, not a scratch on the paint anywhere. I'd heard a couple reports of quality control issues, so that's a relief.

I'll try to post an update on performance, noise, etc., once I get the build done. It'll be a while, alas; I haven't even ordered the fittings yet, since I haven't been able to get all the major parts in to know for sure what their clearances are for tubing purposes.
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Quote: Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post
@jura had posted links to info on the L-Series. They are also sold under the Barrow name. Long and short of it....they aren't horrible, but certainly not like the GTS. Performance was similar to an XSPC EX series, but they are extremely restrictive.

I happen to be with you on preferring 140mm. However, I wound up using the 360 GTS in my Evolv ATX for the very reason you stated, and have been very satisfied. Three Phanteks 120MP at 850 rpm on it has been more than enough to cool OC'd 4790K and 1080 very efficiently without a problem. But, take that for what it is worth, as your heat load may be a lot different.
Hi there

Bitspower Leviathan is rebranded HWLabs L-series or LS360, not sure what Barrow do use as OEM, maybe they use HWLabs but hard to say


https://www.xtremerigs.net/2016/04/29/bitspower-leviathan-slim-360mm-radiator-review/

But agree with you regarding the performance, they're not bad just they're just too restrictive and there are several good radiators which would outperform them

Price wise they're cheaper over here, £45 for LS360 and GTS360 cost around £58-£60 I think

New XSPC TX do looks good, not sure how they perform, planning using them on friend loop,he bought two for his loop

I have at home Evolv ATX which friend wants to use with his 8700k and RTX 2080Ti and for radiators GTS360 on top or XSPC TX360 and for front 280mm radiator still not sure which one I will use there, have SE280 which I wouldn't use but depending on friend budget

Hope this helps

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Hi there

Bitspower Leviathan is rebranded HWLabs L-series or LS360, not sure what Barrow do use as OEM, maybe they use HWLabs but hard to say

Thanks, Jura
Bitspower, not Barrow. My mistake. Wrong "B".

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So, months later, I've finally gotten the rig built. It is, in a word, fantastic. Noise is absolutely not a problem; even with the D5 and all six 120s on full blast, it's a modest whoosh at most. Granted, I'm just using ASUS's AI overclock for the moment, so I have yet to really push it. But dang.
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looks sweet, nice job.

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