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post #61 of 238 (permalink) Old 02-04-2019, 11:26 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Shawnb99 View Post
I’m still debating if I should waste my time trying to fix this one or just replace it.
Thinking of replacing all 4 of my EK ones with HWL ones. See if I can fix the leaking one and resell the rest.
If I do have to replace the leaking one I sure won’t do it with another EK one.
Hi,
Most rads are all copper if they state copper rad not EK's so even if a hardware labs radiator cost a hair more at least it's not as complicated in materials used [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

EK rad Material:
- Copper fins
- 90% copper tubing (H90)
- Brass chambers
- Aluminum/Steel housing
That isn't true. EK rads are made in the same factory with the same materials as some other brands by one of the bigger OEM suppliers. There is nothing unique about then aside from the aluminium shell design.
The majority of rads on the market use a mix of materials including copper and brass for the wetted parts and steel or aluminium for the exterior.


Quote: Originally Posted by tatmMRKIV View Post
personally, just got my first EK rad through a phoenix kit... They are overengineered to the point its a negative... I have used HWlabs and before that the OG TFC/Feser rebrands they are the only ones with this extender, the only ones with a movable rad core... I wonder why? maybe its just a bad Idea in PC building...
I mean sure it looks nice having a squarer less manufactured shape but it seems to cause more problems than it solves...

I used to exclusively use EK blocks but now that other companies are out I am looking for alternatives, the plating on EK blocks is reportedly thinner than competitors so eventually the water paths get eaten through on a number of blocks...
That's also a myth based on supposition that changed into a fact while being spread.

There is nothing wrong with having a negative opinion of something based on experience or whatever else but converting opinion into fact is disingenuous and unnecessary and adds to the confusion that newcomers to the hobby have to wade through.

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Yeah I really don't see much point in adding a second potential leak on a rad connection frankly
Usually one leak being the actual line fitting is enough for me but what ever

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After some thought I told myself screw it and will be replacing all 4 of my EL rads for HWL ones. Swapping out the EK res for an Aquacomputer one, and EK block for a Heatkiller.

At the same time figured might as well upgrade the whole system as well so grabbed a 9900k to replace my 5930k.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Shawnb99 View Post
After some thought I told myself screw it and will be replacing all 4 of my EL rads for HWL ones. Swapping out the EK res for an Aquacomputer one, and EK block for a Heatkiller.

At the same time figured might as well upgrade the whole system as well so grabbed a 9900k to replace my 5930k.
Hi,
Darn upgrade bug

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Broken EK Rad Barb

Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,

Darn upgrade bug


It’s an expensive bug. Specially since I only put my “old” system under water just over 6 months ago only to upgrade it all now.

Crazy part is how the WC parts cost almost as much as the PC. Damn expensive fans

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Hi,
Yeah them fans add up quick
I just get non rgb now they cost nearly half as much.

Post the build when done

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GPU
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RAM
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Hi,

Yeah them fans add up quick

I just get non rgb now they cost nearly half as much.



Post the build when done


Noctua fans are the big expense for me. $25 each and I have 8 of them.

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Hi,
I'm running 8 fans also on each system too darn push/ pull on rads adds up

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Case
corsair 450D with added 2nd floor to house radiator on top
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I'm running 8 fans also on each system too darn push/ pull on rads adds up


8 is just the case fans. I have 4 360 Rads in push/pull. In total I have around 34-35 fans

I wish I was smarter years ago and bought some Typhoons myself in bulk, then again I never saw myself having 4 rads and even then would of gone bigger if I could.

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