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new to WC need a little upcoming build advice on placements

Hi guys I'm going to be doing a new PC build soon and it will be my first build using water cooling (wanted to do this literally since the early 2000's when I first heard about it). I'm not quite sure what config to use for my intended case(s) and potential water cooling hardware. I'm looking at using either an Eisbaer or Eissturm kit from Alphacool either 240 or 280mm haven't decided yet (both are 45mm rads) and they are likely going in a coolermaster H500M. I'm not sure how to go about setting the fans up if I go with that case. I had planned to put the rad in front after some stuff I saw in a youtube video that compared open and blower style gpu cards with top vs front mounted and front mounted intake came out the best for CPU temps.

I had read the front 200's in that case move a lot of air but it seems like it would be a bad idea if I put the Alphacool stuff in the front and tried moving those 200's to the top. Would I maybe put the rad by itself in front behind the 200's and then just buy something else for the top or use the included fans from Alphacool?

Here's the specs on the 200's
Airflow (CFM) 90 ± 10%
Air Pressure (mmH2O) 0.88

The 140mm eiswind fans are actually only .75 pressure and something like 68 CFM so maybe that would work? The 120's are double the pressure.

My other thought was a Phanteks P600S but really all that does is get me a case where I don't really have the same confusion on what to do with the stock fans since it comes with 140's and I'd just move them to the top, put the Alphacool stuff in front, and be done.

Thanks in advance for any advice you guys can give to a WC noob.

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Hi,
Typical mistake is not accommodating large enough radiators

Starts with the case
Make sure you can fit 360mm rad on top and minimum of a 280mm rad in front.
Otherwise ideally two 360mm rads top and front.

If you're stuck with a particular case just cut to the chase no pun intended and use a external rad system with 2-3... 360mm rads with fans... as a separate unit piping too and from the computer.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Typical mistake is not accommodating large enough radiators

Starts with the case
Make sure you can fit 360mm rad on top and minimum of a 280mm rad in front.
Otherwise ideally two 360mm rads top and front.

If you're stuck with a particular case just cut to the chase no pun intended and use a external rad system with 2-3... 360mm rads with fans... as a separate unit piping too and from the computer.
Thanks. My understanding is the H500M can fit a 360 in either spot and definitely a 2xx in the remaining location. Although I think 360's are a bit tight based on the comments in the specs. Top sounds like a max of 30mm with fans on top in a pull config (says 43mm clearance on a 360) and the front the specs say 360mm (70mm clearance w/radiator lid & M.portremoved) which I'm not sure how to decipher. The P600S can do a 360 top or front, 420 front and 280 top.

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Hi,
30mm isn't a bad thickness for a rad
Hardware labs rads are pretty good.

But you said something about a complete inappropriate 240mm rad so just forget about that useless item

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Hi,

30mm isn't a bad thickness for a rad

Hardware labs rads are pretty good.



But you said something about a complete inappropriate 240mm rad so just forget about that useless item


Lol ok. Any input on the fan question if I go with the h500m case?


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Well, I might have found answer. I was wondering about doing a push pull with leaving the 200's in place and the fans that come with the kits on the inside pulling. The only thing I'm not sure about is if I'd create dead air somehow since the 200's push 90cfm and the Alphacool fans are around 70.

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Hi,
You'd have to link to the case and any fans you'd want advice on
Best fans I know of are noctua and Be quiet whether you want high rpm or low is up to you
My view is it's better to have high rpm's and not need them than need them and not have them.

I always do push/ pull fans on rads the fans do need to be matched.

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Hi,
You'd have to link to the case and any fans you'd want advice on
Best fans I know of are noctua and Be quiet whether you want high rpm or low is up to you
My view is it's better to have high rpm's and not need them than need them and not have them.

I always do push/ pull fans on rads the fans do need to be matched.
Thanks, not sure if it will help at this point but I'll link anyway.

If I go with a 280 or 420 rad (420 would require a different case than I'm considering) my understanding is Alphacool is using re-branded versions of this
https://www.bequiet.com/en/casefans/448
The 360's would use these https://www.bequiet.com/en/casefans/449

this would be one of the kits I was looking at (but through a US re-seller) https://www.alphacool.com/shop/new-p...te-kit?c=22312

However I have to admit I'm also considering this as a temporary thing for a while until I had money for a fully custom build picking my own parts etc. It's an open loop AIO that can also link up with a GPU version if desired which then gives two pump system in case one fails https://www.alphacool.com/shop/sets-...-black?c=21228 I picked the 240 over the 280 because I could move it to my old case for a second system down the road.

This is the case I was planning to get
http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mid...tercase-h500m/
I believe this is the 200mm fans that come stock on it http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/...an-mf200r-rgb/

I'm also debating this case however which can fit a 420 in front and a 360 up top
http://www.phanteks.com/Eclipse-P600s.html

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I should add in just for reference. These various kits/AIO's I've been looking at from Alphacool were recommended by the guys at modmymods.com when I was talking with them just in case you're wondering why I'm looking at that stuff.

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Hi,
Cases are cases frankly now days they all pretty much suck
Like I said if you can get 2 decent thickness 360mm rad in a case it will be fine.

I'd go all high rpm fans too 140-120mm
https://www.bequiet.com/en/casefans/1636

Pump wise only D5 PWM any brand they are all the same only difference in D5 pumps is PWM or vario which has a manual 5 speed knob instead of PWM bio's adjustable rmp curve.

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