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post #21 of 37 (permalink) Old 05-14-2019, 01:19 PM
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How's that DDC clone treating you?
Been running 24/7 for about 8 months now. I did make sure the motor shaft was lubricated properly and the spindle was aligned, required minor adjust with drill press. => seems pretty good

The one in the system above has only RPM sense (first attachment), the other has RPM + PWM and has a metal base (second attachment).
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I'll probably get this for another build: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32909048890.html $15 shipped and has RPM sense + PWM.

Not sure of an easier way to mount it than removing the 4 base screws and using slightly longer ones.

I guess velcro or tape would be easier..
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I'll probably get this for another build: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32909048890.html $15 shipped and has RPM sense + PWM.

Not sure of an easier way to mount it than removing the 4 base screws and using slightly longer ones.

I guess velcro or tape would be easier..
Those prices are insane, I have a hard time believing a 13 dollar pump would last several years.

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post #24 of 37 (permalink) Old 05-14-2019, 05:47 PM
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Those prices are insane, I have a hard time believing a 13 dollar pump would last several years.
Visit a manufacturer and see how things are made. You'll see a factory making the "official" branded product and more often than not, a factory next door building the same thing un-branded / OEM. The product costs the same to make and the customer pays for product development and support!

Its likely the same DDC product (the design is about 10 years old now), mechanical and electrical design - made cheaper by efficiencies of scale and cutting out the middle man. Also cutting the costs of a branded business: the engineering/development staff, support costs, marketing, etc..

Generally, you can get an understanding of reliability from the reviews and talking to the seller, but caveat emptor.

Keep in mind the devil is in the details, you should check every screw/washer, test the unit and what not to make sure everything is alright. I'd be doing this if I brought a "NAME BRAND" water cooling product anyway since water and computer components don't mix well, so why not cut out the middle man and save some money.

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Until there are no quality performance manufacturers left and we are stuck with Chinese knockoff junk as our only option.

Spend a few $ more and consider it a donation to the future of the hobby.

That is such a B.s comment. Barrow is a big OEM company that builds for other brands. Also if you have such an issue with China made goods you might want to toss out just about everything you own as it will contain something from China.
Really? Who is Barrow an OEM for and dont say Bitspower because we know that was an internet lie.

China steals designs and infringes on patents from the rest of the world and then build low grade knock offs for less money. Meanwhile the innovative companies get driven out of business and the consumer suffers.

Just look at what damage T-Fake has done to this industry. I would rather make the choice pay a few $ more for quality and innovation now than save a buck and not have a choice in a few years.

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Really? Who is Barrow an OEM for and dont say Bitspower because we know that was an internet lie.

China steals designs and infringes on patents from the rest of the world and then build low grade knock offs for less money. Meanwhile the innovative companies get driven out of business and the consumer suffers.

Just look at what damage T-Fake has done to this industry. I would rather make the choice pay a few $ more for quality and innovation now than save a buck and not have a choice in a few years.
From what I have heard, barrow parts match e.g. EK in quality or even exceeds it. The only two brands that truely are outstanding in craftmanship and performance are watercool and aquacomputer. Nobody is driving these brands out of busniess because they are made in germany and they use quality materials with excellent machining. How ever brands like EK, alphacool and xspc they might fear the chinese because these brands are average grade and don't really offer anythingt competitive in terms of performance, innovation or craftmanship. Aquacomputer or watercool gpu blocks are really worth 100 euros and their cpu blocks 80, just look at the design and thick material.

Back in the days the waterblocks for Radeon 7970 and r9 290 had thick copper, but then when I got the waterblock for the 980ti it was lighter, they had used a thinner copper base. Now the waterblock for the 1080ti from aquacomputer is machined from a solid piece of thick copper, it weight substantially more and it was cheaper than the EK.


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Really? Who is Barrow an OEM for and dont say Bitspower because we know that was an internet lie.

China steals designs and infringes on patents from the rest of the world and then build low grade knock offs for less money. Meanwhile the innovative companies get driven out of business and the consumer suffers.

Just look at what damage T-Fake has done to this industry. I would rather make the choice pay a few $ more for quality and innovation now than save a buck and not have a choice in a few years.
Lol. You should stop B.S ing. Keep your review yourself, nobody asked you to compare barrow with other brands. From my 10 years of experience, i can say barrow parts are cheaper and offer same quality as big branded ones at less price. EKWB gpu blocks + backplate are ridiculously priced, and 20-21% euro tax is added in cart. Which makes it expensive to buy, sometimes these blocks itself including shipping and taxes are 60% price of GPU.
Talking about T-fake now, do you even own any of their level 20 cases, they're much better than what other brands offer at similar price.
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What euro tax are you talking about? I’ve never paid any euro tax when buying from EK so I don’t know where you’re getting a tax from

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What euro tax are you talking about? I’ve never paid any euro tax when buying from EK so I don’t know where you’re getting a tax from
Its their service tax (22%) added to cart when buying from EKWB website. + their is also customs and import tax in my country, which makes it too expensive to purchase.
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Its their service tax (22%) added to cart when buying from EKWB website. + their is also customs and import tax in my country, which makes it too expensive to purchase.


I’ve never had no 22% tax added to my orders from them.

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