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post #31 of 37 (permalink) Old 05-15-2019, 09:41 AM
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Talking about T-fake now, do you even own any of their level 20 cases, they're much better than what other brands offer at similar price.
@ChiTownButcher was referring to a specific situation where Tf blatantly stole designs from a very high end mfg, and the impacts it had on said mfg. And the Tf ripoffs are nowhere even remotely close to the quality of the original.

And the Level 20....I don't own one, nor would I, but have had the opportunity to build in a couple. If you think it's better than what other brands have at the same price point, you need to get hands on with a lot more cases....unless you judge solely by appearance from four meters away.


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@ChiTownButcher was referring to a specific situation where Tf blatantly stole designs from a very high end mfg, and the impacts it had on said mfg. And the Tf ripoffs are nowhere even remotely close to the quality of the original.



And the Level 20....I don't own one, nor would I, but have had the opportunity to build in a couple. If you think it's better than what other brands have at the same price point, you need to get hands on with a lot more cases....unless you judge solely by appearance from four meters away.



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I will confirm EK fittings absolutely suck. I’ve had countless fair on me and refuse to unscrew. Just absolute garbage. I think I’m done using anything EK after this.

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Its their service tax (22%) added to cart when buying from EKWB website. + their is also customs and import tax in my country, which makes it too expensive to purchase.
If you are ordering for delivery outside of the EU's customs union, then there is no tax added.

If you are within the EU or its customs union, then it is not an 'EU' tax. It is Slovenian VAT / sales tax, which you will pay on virtually anything. Though if you're a business or self employed and have a registered VAT / sales tax number, you can input this into the order and not pay the tax at all.

Since you're talking about an 'import tax' (customs duties), you are clearly not in the customs union, so you won't be charged the Slovenian sales tax. Your basket reflects your not having input the address.
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And 3 more EK compression fittings won’t unscrew. These things are total crap

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And 3 more EK compression fittings won’t unscrew. These things are total crap
Ssshhhhhh. You are going to get the EK Police after you.

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Really? Who is Barrow an OEM for and dont say Bitspower because we know that was an internet lie.

China steals designs and infringes on patents from the rest of the world and then build low grade knock offs for less money. Meanwhile the innovative companies get driven out of business and the consumer suffers.

Just look at what damage T-Fake has done to this industry. I would rather make the choice pay a few $ more for quality and innovation now than save a buck and not have a choice in a few years.
That's a nice straw man you have there.

Errant, unethical behaviour is hardly limited to Chinese companies / government. US companies have been at it for decades, and the State backs them up - one of the CIA and State Department's biggest activities has always been alleged to be industrial espionage / sabotage, as was partly confirmed by Wikileaks cable disclosures. The actions this week regarding Huawei are those are of a rogue state (the US that is).

Some of Tt's actions are pretty indefensible, but only a tiny fraction of their product portfolio could be considered plagiarism or copies. Moreover, they're Taiwanese, not Chinese, so there is that.

Also, the only things Barrow 'copy' are some of Bitspower's tube fittings, and then there are some subtle differences, and finish is significantly better on the Bitspower ones, so anyone that can afford them will still buy them. Virtually everything else they do are original designs. Again, Bykski do original stuff. Both companies make generally high quality products that are much better value for money than many brands.

Finally, since you obviously consider Taiwan & China one and the same thing, virtually all quality PC component OEMs are either Taiwanese or Chinese. Couple of smaller South Korean ones. But outside of CPUs, GPUs, memory and a few small specialist outfits in EU & US, CH and TW have the market completely sewn up and have had for pretty much 15 years.
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