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Loop upgrades for Project NotaRoomHeater.. Please HELP

So for the past 6mths I have been collecting parts for a water loop as the ol 9900k is a little too hot for overclocking on air... Even for my TT BIG Typhoon w/ a 25mm spacer and two, yes two 250cfm Delta fans stacked on top of it.
My biggest problem is heat dumping into the room. Its not so much the CPU but its the GPU and I need a block for it and could use a replacement for my CPU as I just got it for a temp(got it for $20 used).

plan as of now - I need full metal CPU and GPU blocks, the best of the best?

future plan? Maybe a chiller?

Currently own and running 3x EK XE480's 60mm rads, EK Supremacy Evo, MCP655-PWM with mayhem 1/2 x 3/4 soft tubing and Monsoon compression fittings

I would like to know who has the best CPU and GPU blocks? anyone make all copper/nickle GPU blocks? Is there any CNC peeps that make better blocks then manufactures?
Or should I just buy a CPU waterblock and mod it to work on my GPU? would I get better cooling?

Thank You in advance for any input.
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So... A year later update.. Still looking for block recommendations
I have added another EK Supremacy Evo to the loop for my Vega 64 about 9mths ago. I hacked up and modded the old stock vega air cooler to make it still cool the VRM and such.

Now would a full coverage waterblock for my vega help with hotspot temps? would Liquid Metal? It currently has kryonaut on the GPU.
When the GPU is full load(also after the loop is saturated) GPU core temp 30c, Hot spot temp 71c, HBM temp 37c
24c room temp

I tried reseating the WB on the GPU a few times.
I also lapped the block before I put it on the first time.

The hot spot temps are holding me back from running the Liquid cooled bios for my vega
Im looking to get a new motherboard, a 2nd pump and new waterblocks for my CPU/GPU in the next week or 2.
I Was thinking of getting both CPU and GPU Heatkiller IV Pro's? I don't see the Optimus being worth $175? for 2c?

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Seems to me that a second pump would only add to your heat problem. What makes you think you need another pump in the system?

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Quote: Originally Posted by !!GoNe^BuCk^W!lD!! View Post
So... A year later update.. Still looking for block recommendations
I have added another EK Supremacy Evo to the loop for my Vega 64 about 9mths ago. I hacked up and modded the old stock vega air cooler to make it still cool the VRM and such.

Now would a full coverage waterblock for my vega help with hotspot temps? would Liquid Metal? It currently has kryonaut on the GPU.
When the GPU is full load(also after the loop is saturated) GPU core temp 30c, Hot spot temp 71c, HBM temp 37c
24c room temp

I tried reseating the WB on the GPU a few times.
I also lapped the block before I put it on the first time.

The hot spot temps are holding me back from running the Liquid cooled bios for my vega
Im looking to get a new motherboard, a 2nd pump and new waterblocks for my CPU/GPU in the next week or 2.
I Was thinking of getting both CPU and GPU Heatkiller IV Pro's? I don't see the Optimus being worth $175? for 2c?
Seems to me that a "Full metal" coverage block for your GPU if that is indeed what is causing your room temps to spike is only half the solution. GPU blocks only dissipate heat from the GPU itself, not the VRM which you could help regulate by buying better thermal tape like this https://www.amazon.com/s?k=fujipoly&ref=nb_sb_noss_2 which will improve the heat transfer to the metal of the block, but then you would need adequate airflow to get it out of your case, which again won't remedy the heat being in your room. My twin 2080 Ti's run at 44c at 100% utilization but man if they aren't warm to the touch, only way to reduce heat in your room is reduce the ambient temp, improve airflow in your case or figure out a way to intake cooler air which could cause condensate.

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My biggest problem is heat dumping into the room.
There's not a good answer to this. There are really only three choices:

1) You don't generate heat to begin with. For example, you leave the machine powered off, or underclock it so that it doesn't generate as much heat to begin with.

2) You don't extract as much heat from the components. For example, cheap air coolers.

3) You extract the heat from the components. At that point, the heat energy has to go SOMEWHERE. If you don't want it in your room, then figure out some way to pipe the heat elsewhere.

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Seems to me that a second pump would only add to your heat problem. What makes you think you need another pump in the system?
You would be correct if I was only running say a 240 or 360 rad.
But I'm running three 480mm rads, 2 water blocks, 13ft soft tube. Just a guess my rads are capable 2500w-3000w of heat dissipation, and my CPU/GPU only produce 600-700w of heat at full system stress test load(about 450w-500w while gaming).
Water flow was not great but useable with 1 pump, got my 2nd pump last week. HUGE difference in head pressure


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Seems to me that a "Full metal" coverage block for your GPU if that is indeed what is causing your room temps to spike is only half the solution. GPU blocks only dissipate heat from the GPU itself, not the VRM which you could help regulate by buying better thermal tape like this https://www.amazon.com/s?k=fujipoly&ref=nb_sb_noss_2 which will improve the heat transfer to the metal of the block, but then you would need adequate airflow to get it out of your case, which again won't remedy the heat being in your room. My twin 2080 Ti's run at 44c at 100% utilization but man if they aren't warm to the touch, only way to reduce heat in your room is reduce the ambient temp, improve airflow in your case or figure out a way to intake cooler air which could cause condensate.
Well found out about 3 days ago my hotspot problem was mounting... Only took about 10 tries to get it right. Hotspot is 30-40c now.
when I made the OP I had only my CPU on water, the 2nd post is a year later
Im running Thermal Grizzly thermal pads on everything that is passive/air cooled, Liquid metal on the CPU Core and Kryonaut on the GPU Core.

Funny story about the stupid heat my CPU/GPU is capable of putting out even on water.. Last winter my furnace ran of of fuel a few times. and my PC was the only heat source for half my house, sub freezing outside.... Never dropped below 65f(18c) inside after 12h.
Its way more efficient then any 1500w space heater I have ever used...

Now my heat problem is not gone, but its manageable now.

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There's not a good answer to this. There are really only three choices:

1) You don't generate heat to begin with. For example, you leave the machine powered off, or underclock it so that it doesn't generate as much heat to begin with.

2) You don't extract as much heat from the components. For example, cheap air coolers.

3) You extract the heat from the components. At that point, the heat energy has to go SOMEWHERE. If you don't want it in your room, then figure out some way to pipe the heat elsewhere.
Air cooling a 9900k on cheap-mid grade air coolers... not possible without underclocking... I tried.... lol
My original plan was to put the rads in the crawl space below my house. Next year I suppose unless I come up with another cooling solution.

In my OP my real heat problem was my GPU still on air then.. lame vega blower cooler...

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In my OP my real heat problem was my GPU still on air then.. lame vega blower cooler...
I get that. However, you can't defeat the process of heat exchange and still have heat exchange. It's not possible to have a "hot" machine be cooled without having something else assume that heat.

Water chiller? Effectively, the heat is transferred to whatever unit is chilling the water. Ducting in cold air? The heat is effectively transferred to whatever is chilling the air. It's not possible to make the heat energy disappear. It has to go somewhere.

The only way you'll be able to NOT become a room heater is to find a way to transfer the heat outside the room. Either duct the heat outside the room somehow, or pipe the warmed water outside the room before cooling it. For most of us, neither of those things is feasible.

The best "solution" to the problem I've ever read about was someone that water cooled and piped the water underground to a network of pipes and a tank 6 feet (2 meters) below the surface. That effectively transferred the heat into the ground. However, piping, pumping and maintenance for something like that would be a nightmare.

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I get that. However, you can't defeat the process of heat exchange and still have heat exchange. It's not possible to have a "hot" machine be cooled without having something else assume that heat.

Water chiller? Effectively, the heat is transferred to whatever unit is chilling the water. Ducting in cold air? The heat is effectively transferred to whatever is chilling the air. It's not possible to make the heat energy disappear. It has to go somewhere.

The only way you'll be able to NOT become a room heater is to find a way to transfer the heat outside the room. Either duct the heat outside the room somehow, or pipe the warmed water outside the room before cooling it. For most of us, neither of those things is feasible.

The best "solution" to the problem I've ever read about was someone that water cooled and piped the water underground to a network of pipes and a tank 6 feet (2 meters) below the surface. That effectively transferred the heat into the ground. However, piping, pumping and maintenance for something like that would be a nightmare.
Next summer Im going to put my radiators under my house in the 3' crawl space so the AC don't have to work so hard. Winter time I'm going heat my house.
Last year when both CPU an GPU was air cooled the AC couldn't keep up with the heat generated from my PC. Now I got both on water the AC don't struggle but I have enough crap generating heat in the living room....

Funny you should say chillers, I have some LGA775 stuff coming Friday to OC the crap outta with my waterloop. Next week I'll shred one of these window AC units I have and see what it can do. How low can we go I won't put the chiller on my 9900k till i get a full copper/nickel waterblocks and "proper" insulation materials..
Been debating on building a proper chiller for a few years.

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