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post #21 of 65 (permalink) Old 07-30-2019, 11:22 AM - Thread Starter
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Quote: Originally Posted by poah View Post
well over 2 years (for both) but that isn't anything to do with your comment above that I quoted.
So how often do you run your computer? A couple hours a day for some gaming? I can see the AIO lasting two years for that situation. My AIO's run non-stop from the first day to the day they fail without every getting turned off.

OK fair enough. Have you ever looked at the GamersNexus teardowns of the Asetek AIO's? Less than 200ml of liquid in the loop. It can't lift its gravity head more than 14" because the pump is so weak.

That it the reason for my "toy" comment. And my failure rate can be compared to the life expectancy of actual cheap toys. You won't convince me otherwise that the Asetek cooler isn't the absolute rock bottom of possible liquid cooling.

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So how often do you run your computer? A couple hours a day for some gaming? I can see the AIO lasting two years for that situation. My AIO's run non-stop from the first day to the day they fail without every getting turned off.

OK fair enough. Have you ever looked at the GamersNexus teardowns of the Asetek AIO's? Less than 200ml of liquid in the loop. It can't lift its gravity head more than 14" because the pump is so weak.

That it the reason for my "toy" comment. And my failure rate can be compared to the life expectancy of actual cheap toys. You won't convince me otherwise that the Asetek cooler isn't the absolute rock bottom of possible liquid cooling.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything - you asked how long I'd had my coolers for.
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I'm not trying to convince you of anything - you asked how long I'd had my coolers for.
OK, since I see the direction of your comment is that the 240mm AIO can cool just fine your cpu, I revise my experiences to align with your argument. I put my H100iV2 240mm AIO on my Ryzen 1700. Clocked it to 4Ghz and 3200Mhz CL14 memory and ran 75°C Tdie on the cpu with my normal Seti/BOINC cpu/gpu load. That is with Noctua NF-F12 IPPC 2000 fans on it at 100% fan speed. They were installed the first week after I got the H-100iV2 because one of the stock Corsair fans sprayed all of its lubricating bearing oil all over the inside of my case and rattled to death. After I got fed up with the high temps I got the Noctua NH-D15/SE AM4 and had 68-70°C. temps.

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I see poah is still on his "Corsair AIOs are not terrible" agenda.

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I don't understand the graph? It shows aio better than noctua d15 at same noise level. Not bad right? May be concern is aio reliability?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Keith Myers View Post
OK, since I see the direction of your comment is that the 240mm AIO can cool just fine your cpu, I revise my experiences to align with your argument. I put my H100iV2 240mm AIO on my Ryzen 1700. Clocked it to 4Ghz and 3200Mhz CL14 memory and ran 75°C Tdie on the cpu with my normal Seti/BOINC cpu/gpu load. That is with Noctua NF-F12 IPPC 2000 fans on it at 100% fan speed. They were installed the first week after I got the H-100iV2 because one of the stock Corsair fans sprayed all of its lubricating bearing oil all over the inside of my case and rattled to death. After I got fed up with the high temps I got the Noctua NH-D15/SE AM4 and had 68-70°C. temps.
those temps are still high on the air cooler. either you are using too much voltage just to get to 4.0 or your ambient air temp is pretty high. For the AIO maybe you didn't attach it properly to the CPU or the pump speed was far too slow
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I see poah is still on his "Corsair AIOs are not terrible" agenda.

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according to that graph the corsair H115i, the arctic 240 and NZXT X52 all cool better and quieter than the NH-D15. The other air coolers don't come close at the same noise level. Thanks for backing me up
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It shows that a Corsair AIO is not worth the investment. A 280mm H115i Pro is merely matching NH-D15 within 2°C.

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Quote: Originally Posted by poah View Post
those temps are still high on the air cooler. either you are using too much voltage just to get to 4.0 or your ambient air temp is pretty high. For the AIO maybe you didn't attach it properly to the CPU or the pump speed was far too slow
Yes, the ambient is higher than most people. I have my A/C set to 78°F. so the compressor has at least a couple minutes to rest before cycling. The bedrooms have two computers in them and the ambient temp is around 82-84° F. normally. I have 5 computers running in the house with high-end 17 gpus running BOINC. I dump around 6KW of heat into the environment at all times. I run Linux, so I have no control over pump speed. The pump runs at whatever is default out of the box.

My 2700X's run at 1.33-1.34V at 4.025Ghz. Not an insane amount of cpu voltage. The cpus do run all the time at that locked multiplier. Normally 10-11 cpu cores engaged in either a cpu task or supporting a gpu task.

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I see poah is still on his "Corsair AIOs are not terrible" agenda.

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I only run 1.33-1.34V on the cpus. I can see I am not getting across the use case for my PC's. They are dedicated crunchers running flat out all the time 24/7/365 with the most optimized applications. Prime95 is my quick and dirty test for stability. It does not come close to what my actual compute load is for each system even at small FFT's. Each system runs 60-80% of the cpu cores at flat out clock speeds with either 3 or 4 gpus in each machine. No gpu is less than a 1070 Ti. Most are 1080 Ti's or 2080's. Each computer pulls between 880-1100W all the time.

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