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post #11 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-05-2019, 07:45 PM - Thread Starter
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I ran some tests before. and my temps remain relatively stable between 75% and 95% rpm. 100% is best.
75% to 60% will cool, but will build up heat in the loop faster.

I am currently running it at 90% for 190 l/h.

Build: msi C8r (Carbon8r)
Core i7-9700K OC 5 GHz, MSI Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON Mobo, AMD Radeon VII GPU OC 2K MHz, Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Phanteks Enthoo Pro M SE ATX Case.
XSPC RayStorm Pro CPU w/b, Bykski Radeon VII GPU w/b, EKWB 140 Revo D5 Pump & Res.
Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 LT USB Fan-Controller, Vision Touch and 'High Flow' Sensor.
(2x) Hardware Labs Black ice Nemesis 280GTS XFLOW radiators and (1x) Alphacool NexXxoS XT45X-Flow 140 in full push/pull.
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Hi Everyone,

Well, I decided to do it. I am adding an Alphacool 140mm x 45mm Crossflow radiator this weekend over the rear opening.

Since this was my first loop, I am glad I went with soft tubing. It left a lot more flexibility as I dialed in my system. This will be my fourth time modifying the loop.
I decided i did not need an additional pump at this time, but I built in support for it if I need it in the future.

I will be moving my serial CPU to GPU loop to a parallel CPU/GPU loop for looks. Based on a lot of the research I seen, it should not affect my thermals to much. My CPU block is supposed to be relatively low restriction.
I also switched my flow around.
Yeah, I know flow doesn't matter and loop order doesn't matter, unless you are trying to squeeze out as much efficiency as possible

My case is small and I am about to max out the radiator space available. So if I can optimize I may gain a few C. I used to do HVAC so I know this will give me a little better heat exchange on the new rear radiator.

OLD Loop order: Pump/Res > AQ Flow Sensor > Temp probe > Front 280mm INTAKE radiator > Top 280mm INTAKE radiator > temp probe > CPU > GPU > Back to Res.
My current loop would have had the Front and then the Top INTAKE (Ambient) Radiators cool the coolant down as much as possible. Then it heads through the Rear EXHAUST which tries to further cool the already cooled water using case air 12 to 15 c higher than ambient. I am quite sure that insufficient heat will be exchanged and might even result in a net loss.

NEW Loop order: Pump/Res > parallel CPU/GPU loop > temp probe >Rear 140mm EXHAUST radiator > Top 280mm INTAKE radiator > Front 280mm INTAKE radiator > Temp probe > AQ Flow Sensor > Back to Res.
By flipping the loop around I will get the water at it's hottest (after the blocks) and then run it through the Rear EXHAUST radiator. Since the water is at its warmest, it will get better heat exchange with the warm case air. This way the Rear 140 will act as a pre-cooler for the two 280mm Radiators that are sucking in pure Ambient goodness.
After this I will have 700mm x 140mm of Radiator in full Push/Pull on a Mid ATX case, and 560mm of that on Ambient intake! I am hoping to be gaming at 9c after this.

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One of the benefits of me rethinking the loop order is that I started thinking outside the box. First I thought about running the parallel CPU/GPU loop.
Then I said, well if this looks as good as I think this will, I should be soon be ready to hard-line. So I am now in the process of trying to 'straighten out' some of my loop runs now, to make it easier to add Acrylic tubing later on. The crossflow radiators I used saved me a bunch of tubing runs so the case will be real clean after this modification. I figure during Christmas Vacation it will be time to do me some hard-lining.

I will try to post some build pictures as I go. Cleaning out radiator tonight with Blitz Part 1.

Build: msi C8r (Carbon8r)
Core i7-9700K OC 5 GHz, MSI Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON Mobo, AMD Radeon VII GPU OC 2K MHz, Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Phanteks Enthoo Pro M SE ATX Case.
XSPC RayStorm Pro CPU w/b, Bykski Radeon VII GPU w/b, EKWB 140 Revo D5 Pump & Res.
Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 LT USB Fan-Controller, Vision Touch and 'High Flow' Sensor.
(2x) Hardware Labs Black ice Nemesis 280GTS XFLOW radiators and (1x) Alphacool NexXxoS XT45X-Flow 140 in full push/pull.

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I have the same case and found i had the best results with a 280mm front rad, 360mm top rad. Both as intake. Rear 140mm fan set as exhaust after cutting out the metal mesh which was restrictive. I'm running 2x DDC 1T-PWM 10w pumps which are nearly silent and get 1.3gpm flow rate.


Normally my temps are better but it's a fairly hot day.



FYI, loop order doesn't really matter. Unless you've got things running in parallel which IMO isn't advisable and is mostly just for looks.






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I haven't taken pictures yet but my mod worked out great. I knocked 1.5c to 2c off my general gaming temps, keeping them in single digits.

The CPU/GPU parallel loop worked better than expected. My CPU is running about 1c to 2c lower with ONLY the GPU Hot Spot averaging 2c to 3c higher.
All testing done fully OC'd.

After 2 hours of heat stress testing these were my HWINFO temps:
CPU Average (highest core): 47c
CPU Maximum (highest core): 65c
GPU Average: 38c
GPU Maximum: 43c
GPU HotSpot Avg: 57c
GPU HotSpot Max: 71c
It looks like I picked up about 80w to 100w of additional cooling! Bonus!

I like your idea about cutting out the mesh. I may consider that the next time I take down the loop.

It really is a great mid-atx case with a lot of cooling potential. I love the 140 fans and how quiet the case can run. On half my games the fans never run past 60% or 800 rpms. My ceiling fan is louder.

Build: msi C8r (Carbon8r)
Core i7-9700K OC 5 GHz, MSI Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON Mobo, AMD Radeon VII GPU OC 2K MHz, Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Phanteks Enthoo Pro M SE ATX Case.
XSPC RayStorm Pro CPU w/b, Bykski Radeon VII GPU w/b, EKWB 140 Revo D5 Pump & Res.
Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 LT USB Fan-Controller, Vision Touch and 'High Flow' Sensor.
(2x) Hardware Labs Black ice Nemesis 280GTS XFLOW radiators and (1x) Alphacool NexXxoS XT45X-Flow 140 in full push/pull.
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Pics from mod. Temps are great.
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Build: msi C8r (Carbon8r)
Core i7-9700K OC 5 GHz, MSI Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON Mobo, AMD Radeon VII GPU OC 2K MHz, Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Phanteks Enthoo Pro M SE ATX Case.
XSPC RayStorm Pro CPU w/b, Bykski Radeon VII GPU w/b, EKWB 140 Revo D5 Pump & Res.
Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 LT USB Fan-Controller, Vision Touch and 'High Flow' Sensor.
(2x) Hardware Labs Black ice Nemesis 280GTS XFLOW radiators and (1x) Alphacool NexXxoS XT45X-Flow 140 in full push/pull.
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This is my full build: https://www.overclock.net/forum/1808...-se-build.html

Build: msi C8r (Carbon8r)
Core i7-9700K OC 5 GHz, MSI Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON Mobo, AMD Radeon VII GPU OC 2K MHz, Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Phanteks Enthoo Pro M SE ATX Case.
XSPC RayStorm Pro CPU w/b, Bykski Radeon VII GPU w/b, EKWB 140 Revo D5 Pump & Res.
Aquacomputer Aquaero 6 LT USB Fan-Controller, Vision Touch and 'High Flow' Sensor.
(2x) Hardware Labs Black ice Nemesis 280GTS XFLOW radiators and (1x) Alphacool NexXxoS XT45X-Flow 140 in full push/pull.
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