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Anyone seen this happen? Unusual nickel plate wear in EK 390x block

Note before reading: I am not blaming the manufacturer of the product for this. There was nothing wrong with the product as far as I can tell. Just 3+ years of 24/7 use. I even replaced the block with another from EK.

Just thought I would throw this image out for your viewing pleasure. I pulled my 390x out of service because the waterblock started doing this:



It began with edges in the raised area of the block that butt up with the plexi cover. It worked its way across the surface, but not the main flow channels of the block.

Two months back, I pulled my system apart and cleaned everything out. This removed the tarnish that built up on the copper and also on the cooling fins. The video card was oriented with the vid cables on top (90deg board rotation case). So, the worn fins were the lower most fins.

After cleaning with a very mild vinegar solution (about 1 cap to 1/2 gallon of water), soap with hot water and a toothbrush, then flushed with hot water, then distilled, everything was put back together. Over the next month or two, the copper seems to have oxidized rather oddly. I would have expected it to turn green, but I'm not a metallurgist, so I know nothing. instead it seems to have shed copper into the distilled water.

My best guesses: there was no corrosion inhibitor in the distilled water. Perhaps some corrosion built up, shed off other parts like the rads and worked its way into the gpu block. Then corrosion and scratching from those flakes wore away the nickel plating. On a closer look, there is significant thinning in the nickel near the fins along the exit path through the block.

I just find it extremely odd that the primary nickel loss is between the block and plexi cover. There shouldnt be water flow through these areas, but clearly there is. I'm guessing the initial wear widened the path and made it a high pressure flow path which accelerated the process. 5 months ago, there was no noticeable copper areas.

Result was I pulled the card and block, replacing with a 5700xt and new EK block. (added corrosion inhibitor as well) I was worried that copper was leaching into the water and may cause similar wear on other blocks and pump. There was a very slight copper color to the water after 2 months, but that may have been the old tubing and brownish color of the lighting.

So...anyone else have a block do that?

Edit: I probably should also note that I had the water flowing through the jet plate in the wrong direction for 3 years and didn't notice.

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block wear is normal over time. corrosion is not unless your coolant sucks.

BTW it might help if you posted the picture you mentioned you were going to post

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odd. It shows up on my computer...

here you go.
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That looks like residue from somewhere else in your system either that or the PH is off in your coolant and a bit corrosive or possibly contaminated with tiny particles like sand and abrasive blasting your blocks.

Might try this to see if you can restore it back to its former glory.

wont hurt to have exposed copper. good coolant like koolance 702 will help prevent corrosion as long as you aren't mixing aluminum radiators with copper waterblocks.

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That looks like residue from somewhere else in your system either that or the PH is off in your coolant and a bit corrosive or possibly contaminated with tiny particles like sand and abrasive blasting your blocks.

Might try this to see if you can restore it back to its former glory.
Can't restore glory that has been blasted away.

Yea, not really sure what happened. I may have used an old batch of distilled that had something in it along the way. Can't remember...I'm old now.

I wasn't worried about it, until i saw the water tinting slightly to copper. I avoid all premixed coolants.

Too many companies selling garbage that clogs, falls out, etc and ends up fouling all the parts. My first loop had distilled/kill coil for over a year, everything was perfect when it got pulled apart. Water also has better heat transfer than non-water options (oils, glycol, etc). Also, its cheap and can be bought at the local grocery store for under $2 a gallon. I'm not saying the one you mentioned is bad, never read up on that one specifically. But, too many others have too many problems and sometimes its the combination of parts, metals, in specific quantities that are unique to one loop that makes it go wrong and others have no problem.

note: my first ever loop was on a used Pentium 4 and I was stupid. so I used tap water and a touch of bleach...rusted all the springs in the tubes which prevented tube collapse...not corrosion...rust. Damn...that was a long time ago...tiny single 80mm radiator and fan, 1/4" tubing...

Now I refuse to risk anything as I spent more on cooling than most people are willing to spend on a whole computer...Even had to make a custom case just to meet my needs.
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Standard stagnant area issues. Particularly common to EK blocks but nickel blocks in general will have it eventually without a good corrosion inhibitor. Copper oxidizes black not green. Verdigris (green copper) requires other chemicals.

Also don't use vinegar on nickel blocks. It hastens the plating's demise.

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looks like run away Ph and/or your radiators weren't clean enough, etc etc.

skip coolance, go mayhems biocide+ and inhibitor+, follow directions, have stuff coming out looking like new, years later, every time.

if it isn't mayhems, it's rebranded mayhems, or garbage. there's a reason this has happened over the last few years.

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Standard stagnant area issues. Particularly common to EK blocks but nickel blocks in general will have it eventually without a good corrosion inhibitor. Copper oxidizes black not green. Verdigris (green copper) requires other chemicals.



Also don't use vinegar on nickel blocks. It hastens the plating's demise.
So how would you clean nickel Blocks?

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That looks like residue from somewhere else in your system either that or the PH is off in your coolant and a bit corrosive or possibly contaminated with tiny particles like sand and abrasive blasting your blocks.

Might try this to see if you can restore it back to its former glory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNaCbMuaOV8

wont hurt to have exposed copper. good coolant like koolance 702 will help prevent corrosion as long as you aren't mixing aluminum radiators with copper waterblocks.
Please stop linking that stupid video, it makes 0 sense.

First of all you don't want vinegar anywhere near nickle plating, that's for cleaning copper. What makes even less sense is that he recommends mixing vinegar with dishwasher fluid, which neutralize each other, so depending on the ratio you're either going to end up with barely acidic vinegar or really poor soap.

Only thing he did was scrub some deposits off the surface with the toothbrush, there wasn't any corrosion on that block to start with.
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So how would you clean nickel Blocks?

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Very gently since the plating is so thin and once it starts going it'll grow. People have recommended dedicated nickel cleaners but I don't have any experience with them.

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