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Case Change (Meshify S2 maybe?) and Converting to Hard Tubing

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I've been in my current rig for about 5 years now (started building it end of 2014). It continues to serve me well for my uses so I am not really interested in upgrading the components. But I have been thinking it's time to retire the Corsair 540 case and look at something else. I've also been really impressed by the aesthetics of these hard/rigid tubing builds people seem to do now instead of the old soft tubing. So I have some questions.

I started by googling and looking at the cases. Things like the Lian Li O11 popped up, and yes looks pretty cool with that distribution block. But the Fractal Design Meshify S2 really caught my eye, primarily due to the front end mesh. Since I have a black and gold theme with my 540 build and the tubing/fittings, I pictured the same black/gold theme in a black Meshify S2 and got a strong Deus Ex: Human Revolution vibe from that idea and I think that's what I want to go for.

So my questions:

1. It looks like the Meshify S2 has a good design for radiator fitment and reservoir mounting in the front. Any gotchas or things to watch out for?

2. What would be the best radiator configuration for size and placement? What are good radiators these days?

3. When it comes to hard tubing, I know that needs a specific kind of fitting, but with regards to the tubing, is PETG still what people use, or should I be looking at something else? Also, any specific tools for measuring, bending, and cutting? I really don't know much of anything about hard tubing.

4. How about coolant? With the colored soft tubing, I've always traditionally used distilled water with additives for anti-microbial and anti-corrosion properties. With hard tubing, what would be a good option? With my current soft tubing build I use black tubing a and gold fittings. For hard tubing are there any good black coolants and gold colored fittings?

5. My blocks seems to be mostly still good after 5 years usage on my last maintenance and inspection a couple months back. However the plastic (plexi?) cover of my gold Supremacy EVO is really cloudy. Any good way to make it clear again? Inside the block looks mostly fine, just needs a little cleaning.

As for the aesthetic, I am not at all into RGB or lighting in the build. All my color schemes are with the components and watercooling parts (tubing/fittings).

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The Fractal Design S2 is a super nice case. I own the Define R6 since the S2 wasn't out at the moment I bought my case, but I would definitely choose the S2 if I had to start over.
The Define R6 and S2 are basically the same cases, except that the S2 has the mesh front and top panel. And some slots for reservoir mounting inside the case.

I'm using 2x GTS 360 radiators in my define R6, 16mm hardtubing and mayhems pastel blue.
My build is also without too much RGB. I have a ledstrip in the top to light up the components, but it's always set to white.
Here are a few pictures of my build: https://imgur.com/gallery/CoOKdL9

If you looking for a good black coolant, I'd suggest Mayhems X1 black. Or newer XT1 black that's compatible with PETG. X(T)1 is a bit deeper black than the pastel black, so I guess you'll like that more.

If you have questions about building in the R6/S2, I'm happy to answer :-)

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Thanks for the reply! That's a really nice build and gives me a much better feel for the size and space available.

What kind of hard tubing did you use? Was it difficult to bend and line up properly?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Sir Beregond View Post
Thanks for the reply! That's a really nice build and gives me a much better feel for the size and space available.



What kind of hard tubing did you use? Was it difficult to bend and line up properly?


I used 16mm Barrow PETG. My first 3 bends were bad, but after that I got the hang of it. You need to heat up the tube slowly and don’t force the bend.

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Radiators:
I would recommend Hardware Labs radiators. I am using two of the 280mm GTS (30mm thick) versions on my Phanteks Pro M SE (https://www.xtremerigs.net/2016/02/19/13271/). If you have the room you can also look at the GTR versions (54mm thick).
This is a good site to see info on a number of different rads: https://www.xtremerigs.net/categorie...ing/radiators/

Do not buy a HWL GTX version until you do some research on them. They use a double dual pass loop that optimizes only when one specific port is used as inlet and the other as outlet, depending upon airflow. https://imgur.com/olNKoCw

Coolant:
I am new to water cooling but I did a lot of research. I personally use Mayhems after looking around. I used the pastel white for a while and I am now running distilled with Mayhems Biocide+ and Inhibitor+ with Mayhems no stain blue dye. I have had no problems from running the pastel and my blocks were super clean. Once I finalize my loop layout (modding now) I will probably switch back to the Pastel. Their blitz kits are great at cleaning a system (You need to follow the directions!). Also, I think I heard they are supplying the coolant for the Corsair custom cooling line.
Corsair may be money sucking fiends that would put RGB on a fart if they could, but for the most part they use quality components/vendors.

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Quote: Originally Posted by broodro0ster View Post
I used 16mm Barrow PETG. My first 3 bends were bad, but after that I got the hang of it. You need to heat up the tube slowly and don’t force the bend.
Thanks for the tip!

Quote: Originally Posted by Moose-Tech View Post
Radiators:
I would recommend Hardware Labs radiators. I am using two of the 280mm GTS (30mm thick) versions on my Phanteks Pro M SE (https://www.xtremerigs.net/2016/02/19/13271/). If you have the room you can also look at the GTR versions (54mm thick).
This is a good site to see info on a number of different rads: https://www.xtremerigs.net/categorie...ing/radiators/

Do not buy a HWL GTX version until you do some research on them. They use a double dual pass loop that optimizes only when one specific port is used as inlet and the other as outlet, depending upon airflow. https://imgur.com/olNKoCw

Coolant:
I am new to water cooling but I did a lot of research. I personally use Mayhems after looking around. I used the pastel white for a while and I am now running distilled with Mayhems Biocide+ and Inhibitor+ with Mayhems no stain blue dye. I have had no problems from running the pastel and my blocks were super clean. Once I finalize my loop layout (modding now) I will probably switch back to the Pastel. Their blitz kits are great at cleaning a system (You need to follow the directions!). Also, I think I heard they are supplying the coolant for the Corsair custom cooling line.
Corsair may be money sucking fiends that would put RGB on a fart if they could, but for the most part they use quality components/vendors.
Interesting. I will take a look at those then. Thanks.

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I used 16mm Barrow PETG. My first 3 bends were bad, but after that I got the hang of it. You need to heat up the tube slowly and don’t force the bend.

To this, I would add don't heat the tubing too much either it can cause it to blister.


I watched a lot of YouTube videos before I started building custom loops.



Buy more than you think you need, you will make mistakes.


I don't OC my computer, I just like the look and challenge of water cooling a PC. I use PETG and when I started down this trail I built my first loop all from Primo Chill website. I had heard of EK at the time but had concerns about their platting flaking (and still don't know if they ever straightened that out), but I personally have had nothing but good experiences with Primo Chill.


For the record, I did order an EK mono-block for my Maximus XI board this morning, so I guess I'll be trying them out after all.

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I had a Fractal Define R6 and some months ago I swapped the front with a friends Meshify S2, the cases are exactly the same at 99%, so the same config works for both with the advantage for the Meshify S2 because of the less restrictive front.

My radiators setup is 2 X HWL GTS 360 (front and top) and 1xHWL GTS 120 (bot). The coolant I am using is Mayhems X1 Clear concentrate wiht distilled water.

I am very happy with the setup:



If it helps, you can have a look at the thread I started with this build here: https://www.overclock.net/forum/61-w...ood-temps.html

PS: Those pics were taken before I swapped the front of the case.
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I had a Fractal Define R6 and some months ago I swapped the front with a friends Meshify S2, the cases are exactly the same at 99%, so the same config works for both with the advantage for the Meshify S2 because of the less restrictive front.

My radiators setup is 2 X HWL GTS 360 (front and top) and 1xHWL GTS 120 (bot). The coolant I am using is Mayhems X1 Clear concentrate wiht distilled water.

I am very happy with the setup:



If it helps, you can have a look at the thread I started with this build here: https://www.overclock.net/forum/61-w...ood-temps.html

PS: Those pics were taken before I swapped the front of the case.
That looks fantastic, thank you!

One question, looking at the reservoir, is there a fillport somewhere?

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That looks fantastic, thank you!

One question, looking at the reservoir, is there a fillport somewhere?
Not the same person, but if you load the pic in full resolution you can clearly see that the reservoir has a spare plug at the top that can be removed for filling.

As for more general input on this thread. I think the Meshify is a great choice. I would have bought one for my upcoming rig, but the clearance between the top of the case and motherboard is too tight for my 420mm radiator. As everyone else has mentioned Hardware Labs GTS are a great choice. 360mm top and front should be plenty.

Another option for rigid tubing is running straight glass tubes and using angled fittings to do all the bends.

as for cleaning your cloudy blocks. Pull them apart and scrub them with a soft toothbrush and some mild soap and water. Rinse with distilled afterwards. DO NOT use rubbing alcohol on acrylic as it will destroy it.
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