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post #1641 of 1932 (permalink) Old 02-14-2020, 10:43 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by JustinThyme View Post
Yeah thats what I said a few posts back, 2-3 C tops and anyone saying 5-8 is slinging bull sheet. For all you know your 3 C could have just been a remount and some new paste LOL. Im not saying that the block is junk, just the hype and mounting are. They got a pretty good start but need to get with the program with the feedback they are getting here and implementing the changes and not dump excuses.
Hi,
Just picked up a signature this morning and about to drop it in hopefully i can get some crow for you to eat for saying that
I'm hopping for at least 5c+ better than HK 4 pro

Disassembled sig as I always do before installing new blocks yeah that's an ek policy and watercool too the heatkiller had more copper or brass burs than any block I've ever seen.
Looked okay no barbs.. or nothing, little dirty is all it is coming from the windy city

Center o-ring causes the bow on the cold plate, unmounted cold plate is flat for sure not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing yet
Seems the cooling fins would eventually cut into the o-ring and restrict water flow having to go under the o-ring and all :/

Either way later tonight or early tomorrow I'll know something about differences between the foundation 3c better than HK 4 pro now and what the signature temps do along side those results.

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Quote: Originally Posted by JustinThyme View Post
Anything flowing in a direction other than designed will take a performance hit. Its dependent on whether you do this for show or performance. For me every degree counts. CPU, Never go backwards.....at least on any block worth having. The jet plate and channels have a specific flow rate.

As for GPUs, EKWB, if you are one still running blocks for an EK badge (Ive dumped them and moved on), Says you can run their GPU blocks reverse flow with minimal temp difference. I asked this of them on a social media group and had to prod to get an answer as to exactly what is minimal. Best answer I got was 3-5C drop in performance. Well in my book thats not minimal. 2C is not minimal.

While its nice to have easier loops to run and make them pretty my primary goal is the best performance. 3C higher temps on my GPUS drops my OC potential. 5C destroys the potential. Im floating right below the window where thermal throttling begins. HK blocks running in correct direction keeps me under 45C heavily loaded on both GPUs. Reverse the flow, had to try it for giggles, and on the HK blocks and that 42-44C top end goes to 48-50.
Not sure who makes the blocks on these Aorus waterforce cards, it's what they came with. Was tempted to swap them for something different, but not sure if it's worth the cash for possible better or worse performance. I won't be running anything backwards as the last thing I want to see is any sort of higher temps due to it.. I couldn't help but ask. After my last ek monoblock, I doubt I will go back to them. Their allen bolts' heads stripped from a basic hand tool the last time I tried to take it apart for maintenance. If I can't figure a way to do it tonight or tomorrow, I'll just install it upside down and ignore the logo for now. The creative side in me always wants to try different new things with this build hobby, so I may consider the distro plates Singularity is making for the Enthoo Elite but still not sure if thats my thing. They sent me the current design for a horizontal and vertical, but looking at the cad render I can't see a way to make it all work with what I have. It would allow me to install the block sideways, though and run lines to the right instead of above. The other side of me just wants to install it, keep it simple and see what gains I get.

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Hi,
Goofy mount I'd place the cpu on the block first
My 9940x didn't mate well at all goofy as in logo sideways
So either upside down or right side up absolutely is a better mate not perfect mate but a lot better than goofy.

Jp started out goofy mount
His 380i he thought was doing well
https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-in...l#post28262876
Started out with a foundation goofy read along on results
https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-in...l#post28271598

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I won't be running anything backwards as the last thing I want to see is any sort of higher temps due to it.
One of your GPU block is backward flowed. If you talking about Bartha5.5 in your sig.
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Hi,
Saw someone do it the way I would if I were interested in sli
Add two Y splitters on the inlet and outlets and four 90 degree fittings on the gpu then both cards get the same in and out flow
Second card only gets used 50% though so backwards on it doesn't really matter.

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Quote: Originally Posted by whk0 View Post
One of your GPU block is backward flowed. If you talking about Bartha5.5 in your sig.
Good point, I am moving them to parallel this weekend

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Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Saw someone do it the way I would if I were interested in sli
Add two Y splitters on the inlet and outlets and four 90 degree fittings on the gpu then both cards get the same in and out flow
Second card only gets used 50% though so backwards on it doesn't really matter.

Both cards are used 100% each in my case for GPU rendering, using NVLink memory pooling for vdb and geometry. getting them both cooled equally is most beneficial for me. Going too OT, my fault.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Goofy mount I'd place the cpu on the block first
My 9940x didn't mate well at all goofy as in logo sideways
So either upside down or right side up absolutely is a better mate not perfect mate but a lot better than goofy.

Jp started out goofy mount
His 380i he thought was doing well
https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-in...l#post28262876
Started out with a foundation goofy read along on results
https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-in...l#post28271598



Thanks, so upside down it is, I'll get over the OCD.

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Hi,
Just picked up a signature this morning and about to drop it in hopefully i can get some crow for you to eat for saying that
I'm hopping for at least 5c+ better than HK 4 pro

Disassembled sig as I always do before installing new blocks yeah that's an ek policy and watercool too the heatkiller had more copper or brass burs than any block I've ever seen.
Looked okay no barbs.. or nothing, little dirty is all it is coming from the windy city

Center o-ring causes the bow on the cold plate, unmounted cold plate is flat for sure not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing yet
Seems the cooling fins would eventually cut into the o-ring and restrict water flow having to go under the o-ring and all :/

Either way later tonight or early tomorrow I'll know something about differences between the foundation 3c better than HK 4 pro now and what the signature temps do along side those results.
\

If you can serve up some crow, Ill eat it, puke it back up then put it in the box that I send back to Optimus along with the block. Ive been in contact with them VIA PM, they are being extremely accommodating. . I'm seeing improvements over the HKIV but 2-3C end of story. I take anything I can get but its not 5-8. Im thinking that single post that someone said 5-8 had a bad mount before or was using a cheap block.

Their biggest concern was the flakes I pulled from my filter, I may have gotten one that slipped past QC. That one thing did level out my spread a bit and if I take the two coolest cores out of the equation the other 12 are less than 5C apart.

Realbench Xbot version stress test 15 mins. puts me at an 11C spread. Blender is quite a bit more spread. Ill run a quick one and post it up.
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Heres the blender short with a 14C spread with an AVX offset of 2.
I dont undertand how this works the cores as I watch the Frequency dropping on some cores but not others and it moves around, never more than 4 cores running at 4600. Dont pay atttention to the score, had everything up and running including this web page, this was about heat. I have a new rad HL labs SR 420 be here Sunday replacing top fans with 2000 rpm noctua AF14 PWM fans

Im going to take a differnet approach and dump the output of the pump right into the inlet of the CPU block then out to 420 and down to Distro for VRM cooler and GPUs which BTW saw a 3-4C drop going to HK over the phanteks blocks just due to the passive cooling on the back plate. I am getting better results though after cleaning the metal bits out of my filter. Max flow had dropped to 5L/Min and now max is almost 12L/M but dialing it back on the D5s staggered so abouut 10.5L/M or 620L/Hr.

This is also after chjanging TIM from Kryonaut to MX-4. The kryonaught had a perfect spread so dont know whats up with that, too many changing variables at once I suppose. Running hardline Its not easy to disconnect and just put in a new block.
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