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High quality AIO?

After several attempts at pricing out custom-loop water cooling, I just can't justify the roughly $500 entry fee. The tinkerer in me is interested, but that would buy twice the graphics card I have now so it makes no sense.



I still do ponder trying a processor AIO, but I've been worried about quality, longevity, and the fact that most of them are described as "disposable". I'm looking at 280 and 360 units. (I'd be mounting the radiator external to the case, so no fitting worries)



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The Eisbaer looks interesting because of the quick-connects and modularity. At $175 it's expensive, but if these are quality parts that I could use in the future then I'd feel better about doing it even just as an experiment.



The Eisbaer Extreme looks REALLY interesting. Although $300 is a big chunk of change, I'd feel like I bought something worth upgrading for the long term. The nice shell around the radiator/pump/reservior package would work great for my intention to mount the radiator externally.



Then when I realize how I've talked myself up so far in price(!) the Arctic Freezer Liquid seems like a good budget option again, with a nice thick radiator. But then am I back to "disposable"?

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After several attempts at pricing out custom-loop water cooling, I just can't justify the roughly $500 entry fee. The tinkerer in me is interested, but that would buy twice the graphics card I have now so it makes no sense.



I still do ponder trying a processor AIO, but I've been worried about quality, longevity, and the fact that most of them are described as "disposable". I'm looking at 280 and 360 units. (I'd be mounting the radiator external to the case, so no fitting worries)



Some thoughts:



The Eisbaer looks interesting because of the quick-connects and modularity. At $175 it's expensive, but if these are quality parts that I could use in the future then I'd feel better about doing it even just as an experiment.



The Eisbaer Extreme looks REALLY interesting. Although $300 is a big chunk of change, I'd feel like I bought something worth upgrading for the long term. The nice shell around the radiator/pump/reservior package would work great for my intention to mount the radiator externally.



Then when I realize how I've talked myself up so far in price(!) the Arctic Freezer Liquid seems like a good budget option again, with a nice thick radiator. But then am I back to "disposable"?
I picked up one of EK's Fluid gaming custom loops. it only cost me like $200 for everything (Rad, gpu block, CPU block, Pump/res combo, tubing, fittings, fans) the catch is that its all aluminum so you cant mix it with any copper parts. Im quite happy with it, and if you wanted to go down that route it would only be about $150 bucks for a just CPU loop. But if you really want an AIO instead im very partial to Corsair. My H80i 1st gen that i picked up in 2013 is still going strong, im quite happy with it. you can probobly find a good black friday deal on a H100i soon so id look out for that.

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can't go wrong with one of arctics new freezer II AIO's. cheap, quiet and cool exceptionally well
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High quality and PC water cooling using the retail consumer parts don't exactly go together.
You would have to look into something more industrial if you want high quality.
AIOs and high quality is a total joke.
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Quote: Originally Posted by JackCY View Post
High quality and PC water cooling using the retail consumer parts don't exactly go together.
You would have to look into something more industrial if you want high quality.
AIOs and high quality is a total joke.
AiOs doesn't end on Corsair, NZXT, Cooler Master or Deepcool, you know.

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Quote: Originally Posted by JackCY View Post
High quality and PC water cooling using the retail consumer parts don't exactly go together.
You would have to look into something more industrial if you want high quality.
AIOs and high quality is a total joke.
Quote: Originally Posted by BroadPwns View Post
AiOs doesn't end on Corsair, NZXT, Cooler Master or Deepcool, you know.
I have to agree with @BroadPwns . The Swiftech X3 are very high quality pieces, made up of parts available for custom loops. The Eisbaer also has some very good points to it, as did the EK Phoenix. Now, if the statement had been "CLCs and high quality is a total joke" I would have heartily agreed.

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Think I said this in another thread, but if you're in the market for an AIO, well a CLC, try to get one that doesn't have aluminum, or more specifically, one that doesn't have multiple metal types in the loop. Copper and nickel is fine if the plating is good and it has a good anti-corrosive in it. Their electrode potentials are close enough that they won't cause any major corrosion issues unless the nickel plating flakes off over time, which could be an indicator of manufacturer defect or an improper balance of additives in the liquid among other things.

Keeping the block and radiator copper will reduce the chance that corrosion will prematurely kill the pump and gunk up the system which will maintain long-term performance. Keep in mind that the glycol mixture in these loops do lose their effectiveness over time, and when that happens corrosion will increase due to the aluminum having such a large galvanic potential difference compared to copper and nickel (larger the difference, the more corrosion). You also have permeation which will lower coolant levels over time as it's absorbed in the tubing, so having a cooler that has extra coolant or some type of fill port is necessary to combat against that. There are only a couple of CLCs out there that use a copper radiator and block that I know of that allow refilling when permeation eventually causes issues with pump noise and health, and those are the Thermalright Turbo Right 360C(opper) and the be quiet! Silent loop series. There's also the AC Eisbaer series.

If you have some more money to fork over, you can take a look at the Swiftech X3, EK MLC, and Eisbaer Extreme, or just go with a DIY loop. I don't recommend using any CLC with an aluminum radiator because it will not last that long due to the above reasons, especially if there's no easy way to top it off. They're pretty much disposable after the warranty comes up, if it even makes it that long.

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