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Contemplating first custom loop build

I have a Corsair 750D case with a 4970k cpu and 980ti GPU. The cpu is currently air-cooled with a Noctua NH-D15, and the GPU cooled with a Kraken X31 CLC.

I suspect the Kraken X31 is close to EOL, so I should replace it sooner rather than later.

I'm planning on upgrading most of my hardware towards the end of year (essentially waiting for Zen 3 and the Nvidia 30xx GPU series to come out), including getting a new case (probably the Phanteks 719, but waiting on a review from Gamers Nexus).

I'm thinking of getting a relatively inexpensive CPU block and VGA block (not a full card block, but just VGA chip block, I'll find a way to aircool VRMs), and should be able to mount a 360 rad to the top of my current 750D case after removing the 5.25" drives cage.

Is it worth all the hassle to do this on hardware that'll be replaced within a year anyway? Perhaps at least get a new case first? Obviously my CPU is being cooled just fine, but I'm worried about the GPU cooler as I'm unsure I want to buy another CLC for it. Though I can always just re-install the stock air cooler it came with, but it's loud.

At the same time this could be a good trial run for my first build, I'd plan on using soft tubing just because it's easier (once I have all new hardware I'd want to go for hard tubing and use fittings where any bending is required instead of actually trying to bend the tubes), but would otherwise want to get a good rad (probably EK or Hardware Labs with relatively low fin density so it'll cool pretty well with low rpm fans) and pump+reservoir (no idea, still need to research, open to suggestions) for the longer-term.

In the end, this will be a silence focused build and my understanding is that with a custom loop I should be able to achieve better temps than high-end air cooling at the same noise levels (provided I use good radiator fans of course, such as the Noctua NF-A12x25). Please correct me if I'm wrong though.

Would appreciate any thoughts and feedback.

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Well you're in luck if in the U.S.
New company out of Chicago got some nice stuff to startout with

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I'll be doing my first custom loop in September, and I've started picking parts out. Optimus is my top pick for block, as well as their pump/reservoir combo.

The 750D is a great case, it's the case I use right now (9900K on a EVGA 360mm CLC) and it works OK considering it's age, but for water-cooling I don't think it's a very good option. I'll be moving to a Lian Li O11 XL, unless something newer comes out. I was stuck between the Phantek 719 and the Lian Li O11 XL (funny, me and you are in the same boat!) but ultimately decided on the O11 XL for superior build quality and while Phantek claims the 719 can fit 2x 480mm rads and 2x 360mm rads at the same time, that isn't really the case due to clearance issues -- essentially, you'd have to run extremely thin rads and use specific hardware in order to fit all of it at once.

The 719 is a beauty, but at the end of the day, the build quality of the 719 seemed to come up a little short. There's a video of the entire case bending and twisting by hand with the panels off, and that turned me off quite a bit.
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In this realm, I'm a big believer of go big or go home. If you're going to go through the hassle building your own loop, you may as well get the best you can afford. I was in your boat a couple of years ago when deciding to get into a custom loop.

There are actual quite a few starter kits available from EK (https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ekwb+kit&ref=nb_sb_noss_2); I opted for the x360 kit, though I know other companies also sell kits as well if you aren't into EK. These kits are nice because they essentially allow you to build a custom loop as if you would have bought the parts individually, but the companies assure that everything in the kit will work with each other. You can then expand from there. I have since added a GPU block, VRM block, additional 360 RAD, and thick rubber tubing on top of the base kit I originally bought. Obviously a good size case with room for expansion is necessary as well.

For the most part CPU blocks work with most (if not all recent) Intel CPUs and have brackets for most of this last decade's sockets. I've read some blocks from 2+ years ago having issues with Ryzen chips, but I'm not an expert on AMD CPUs so don't quote me. I suppose the biggest thing is if things stay consistent on the CPU block front, you should be able to reuse that, the RAD, and pump for whatever build you'll need for the next decade. Some of use have gotten specific blocks for VRMs and the like that will only work with a specific mobo. I think GPU blocks are similar one-time use parts (unless you get the same GPU or feel frisky on the mod front).

I'm not a huge fan of CLCs. They are easy, that's for sure, but there's great way to do maintenance nor are they flexible. You're pretty much stuck with whatever performance you are getting from the CLC.

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Ever tried to rma something to Germany it's no fun and that's where EK is !

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I actually started the process with EK for my pump, but ended up not having to go through with it as there was an issue I resolved getting power to the pump. Despite being out of country, their service up to that point was stellar. Also, I thought EK was based in Slovenia? Regardless RMAs in general are not fun, but I personally don't plan my builds based on a potential hassle of having to RMA in the future. I supposed I've been lucky though as I've only had to utilize a warranty once in my life and that was for a TV.

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I'll be doing my first custom loop in September, and I've started picking parts out. Optimus is my top pick for block, as well as their pump/reservoir combo.



The 750D is a great case, it's the case I use right now (9900K on a EVGA 360mm CLC) and it works OK considering it's age, but for water-cooling I don't think it's a very good option. I'll be moving to a Lian Li O11 XL, unless something newer comes out. I was stuck between the Phantek 719 and the Lian Li O11 XL (funny, me and you are in the same boat!) but ultimately decided on the O11 XL for superior build quality and while Phantek claims the 719 can fit 2x 480mm rads and 2x 360mm rads at the same time, that isn't really the case due to clearance issues -- essentially, you'd have to run extremely thin rads and use specific hardware in order to fit all of it at once.



The 719 is a beauty, but at the end of the day, the build quality of the 719 seemed to come up a little short. There's a video of the entire case bending and twisting by hand with the panels off, and that turned me off quite a bit.
Interesting, I have the 011 XL as the alternative to the 719. Concerning that the build quality is questionable on the 719.

What I do like about the 719 is that I could mount a bunch of fans in front as intake, and the side intake I could try to mount a radiator on the outside with fans on the inside (saw a video of someone doing that). And then a second radiator up top is all I should need. I'll need to research this more now though.

Main thing I don't like about the 011 XL is the glass in front, all a bit too exposed. Going for a more understated build. Also not going for too much lighting, if any, don't need a disco in my office

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I actually started the process with EK for my pump, but ended up not having to go through with it as there was an issue I resolved getting power to the pump. Despite being out of country, their service up to that point was stellar. Also, I thought EK was based in Slovenia? Regardless RMAs in general are not fun, but I personally don't plan my builds based on a potential hassle of having to RMA in the future. I supposed I've been lucky though as I've only had to utilize a warranty once in my life and that was for a TV.
Hi,
That is where they get cheaper labor to manufacture all their products

Optimus offers 10 year warranty made in USA ek does not on either point.

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Interesting, I have the 011 XL as the alternative to the 719. Concerning that the build quality is questionable on the 719.

What I do like about the 719 is that I could mount a bunch of fans in front as intake, and the side intake I could try to mount a radiator on the outside with fans on the inside (saw a video of someone doing that). And then a second radiator up top is all I should need. I'll need to research this more now though.

Main thing I don't like about the 011 XL is the glass in front, all a bit too exposed. Going for a more understated build. Also not going for too much lighting, if any, don't need a disco in my office
I don't like RGB, part of the reason I really like the aesthetics of the Optimus products. Performance focus with a clean, sleek look. I know what you're saying about the glass front on the Lian Li. The way I have it planned out with minimal case lighting, it'll look dark(ish) on the inside, with the reservoir being the highlight of the case with red fluid flowing through hard tubing.
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Ever tried to rma something to Germany it's no fun and that's where EK is !
I have to Aquacomputer which is in Germany, was not that big of a deal just took some time. I’ve also RMAed to EK part of the original nickel plating issue, 2 GTX460 blocks. EK covered the blocks in full. I still have the replacements around somewhere never had an issue after that. I’m not 100% sure but I believe I sent them back to Slovenia, it has been ~10 yrs ago.

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