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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-10-2020, 04:17 AM - Thread Starter
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Hi, I'd like recommendations for the best 280mm AIO CLC money can buy

In a nutshell, I'm in a situation where my Noctua NH-D15 just... isn't enough. My case isn't very large (low air flow pressure), which means that temperatures across the board that typically should be low are much higher than they should be.

Sadly, I've been experiencing instability that leads to BSODs while gaming, so I need to pull down the temperatures hard. I don't know how to make a custom loop (nor am I really willing to take the risk to learn it), so I'd just like to know what the best 280mm AIO is available out there for me to buy.

I'm fully prepared to buy it AND swap out both fans for Arctic P12's to further boost cooling performance. I really want to shave 10-20C (or more) off of these dreaded temperatures that hit 80-90 C during gaming. (For reference, I use an i7-8086k @ 5 GHz). (Side note: I can't do 360mm, because my case doesn't have space for a triple.)

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Eisbaer Extreme 280 with the P14 fans from the Arctic Freezer II



curtesy of guru3d ,and I know there are probably problems with their testing methodology (not saying it is, or it isn't, nor how much, just a feeling i get when i roughly compare their numbers to all the other numbers of all the major testers on the internet, never checked properly), but it gives us a rough look.

But again the Arctic radiator is thicker by 8mm, and well Eisbaer is 220 euro (+5 year warranty), and Arctic is 85 euro (2 year warranty).

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Quote: Originally Posted by Ichirou View Post
In a nutshell, I'm in a situation where my Noctua NH-D15 just... isn't enough. My case isn't very large (low air flow pressure), which means that temperatures across the board that typically should be low are much higher than they should be.

Sadly, I've been experiencing instability that leads to BSODs while gaming, so I need to pull down the temperatures hard. I don't know how to make a custom loop (nor am I really willing to take the risk to learn it), so I'd just like to know what the best 280mm AIO is available out there for me to buy.

I'm fully prepared to buy it AND swap out both fans for Arctic P12's to further boost cooling performance. I really want to shave 10-20C (or more) off of these dreaded temperatures that hit 80-90 C during gaming. (For reference, I use an i7-8086k @ 5 GHz). (Side note: I can't do 360mm, because my case doesn't have space for a triple.)

Thank you all so very much
Agree with below on the Eisbaer Extreme. But....you mean you would swap to P14, not P12, correct? And, personally, having owned both the SW3 that comes with the Eisbaer and the P14, I wouldn't be inclined to swap them unless I absolutely needed higher rpm fans to keep the CPU cool. Even then I would be inclined to go to SW3 High Speed rather than P14 unless I was tight on cash.

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Eisbaer Extreme 280. Or the new NZXT Z72.
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Eisbaer Extreme 280 with the P14 fans from the Arctic Freezer II



curtesy of guru3d ,and I know there are probably problems with their testing methodology (not saying it is, or it isn't, nor how much, just a feeling i get when i roughly compare their numbers to all the other numbers of all the major testers on the internet, never checked properly), but it gives us a rough look.

But again the Arctic radiator is thicker by 8mm, and well Eisbaer is 220 euro (+5 year warranty), and Arctic is 85 euro (2 year warranty).
The Arctic may be 8mm thicker, but it is also made of a material that is 50% less efficient. So, essentially, you have a rad taking up more space and operating less efficiently. I'm not sure if you were somehow trying to intimate that this was somehow a good thing.

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Okay, I'm a bit confused now. What AIO + third-party fan combination should I buy then?

I looked into the Arctic Liquid Freezer II before I went to sleep, and it looked nice, but now I'm intrigued by this Eisbaer Extreme. I'll look into it now.


Based on those charts though, it feels like the two AIOs are within the margin of error, and I'm not sure whether shaving just 2°C off (assuming it's consistent) for more than double the cost is worth it.

Also, I wasn't sure about what fans to take; I just read somewhere that they recommended the P12. If the P14 is basically the same size but better, yeah, I could go for those instead.


The two year warranty on the Freezer concerns me a bit though. Do AIOs break down? I had a single fan radiator ages ago and it served me well for years until I ditched it (for the NH-D15).

Is there any particular reason why (besides warranty) to take the Eisbaer Extreme over it? Alphacool IIRC is involved in the custom loop business, so that intrigues me a bit. Do custom loops provide even better cooling, or has the temperature gap more or less been bridged by now?

Looking into the Eisbaer, do you need to do any sort of manual work, or is it already prebuilt and ready for installation? I.E. Do you need to buy mineral water or something? According to this review on KitGuru, it doesn't seem like it's the absolute best in terms of cooling performance though, compared to more standard AIO offerings. https://www.kitguru.net/components/c...80mm-review/5/

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Quote: Originally Posted by Ichirou View Post
Okay, I'm a bit confused now. What AIO + third-party fan combination should I buy then?

I looked into the Arctic Liquid Freezer II before I went to sleep, and it looked nice, but now I'm intrigued by this Eisbaer Extreme. I'll look into it now.


Based on those charts though, it feels like the two AIOs are within the margin of error, and I'm not sure whether shaving just 2°C off (assuming it's consistent) for more than double the cost is worth it.

Also, I wasn't sure about what fans to take; I just read somewhere that they recommended the P12. If the P14 is basically the same size but better, yeah, I could go for those instead.


The two year warranty on the Freezer concerns me a bit though. Do AIOs break down? I had a single fan radiator ages ago and it served me well for years until I ditched it (for the NH-D15).

Is there any particular reason why (besides warranty) to take the Eisbaer Extreme over it? Alphacool IIRC is involved in the custom loop business, so that intrigues me a bit. Do custom loops provide even better cooling, or has the temperature gap more or less been bridged by now?

Looking into the Eisbaer, do you need to do any sort of manual work, or is it already prebuilt and ready for installation? I.E. Do you need to buy mineral water or something? According to this review on KitGuru, it doesn't seem like it's the absolute best in terms of cooling performance though, compared to more standard AIO offerings. https://www.kitguru.net/components/c...80mm-review/5/
On the P12/P14 confusion....you asked about 280mm rads, which use two 140mm fans. The P12 is a 120mm fan, it is not the correct size for a 280mm rad. The P14 is the 140mm variation in the series. You want P14s for a 280mm rad.

If you look at the results in the review you linked, you will notice that the more heat that is used, the better the Eisbaer performs in relation to the other coolers. At 5GHz, it is the top performer, and the only other cooler close is over 10 dB louder trying to keep up.

Other reasons? Yes, the Eisbaer is expandable, and all copper (no mixed metals).

And, yes, custom loops can provide significantly better cooling at significantly lower noise levels than AiOs. But that will also come at a higher price.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post
On the P12/P14 confusion....you asked about 280mm rads, which use two 140mm fans. The P12 is a 120mm fan, it is not the correct size for a 280mm rad. The P14 is the 140mm variation in the series. You want P14s for a 280mm rad.

If you look at the results in the review you linked, you will notice that the more heat that is used, the better the Eisbaer performs in relation to the other coolers. At 5GHz, it is the top performer, and the only other cooler close is over 10 dB louder trying to keep up.

Other reasons? Yes, the Eisbaer is expandable, and all copper (no mixed metals).

And, yes, custom loops can provide significantly better cooling at significantly lower noise levels than AiOs. But that will also come at a higher price.
Oh, my mistake about the fans then. I got confused.
I just looked up the dimensions of the Eisbaer, and my god is it long. It won't fit in my case, unfortunately.

This is actually kind of sad. I'm checking out the dimensions of these, and I don't even think I have enough clearance for 280mm AIOs IF the radiators incorporate extra length. This might mean I would have to go with some 240mm instead, potentially. I'll have to look at some other coolers and measure them all.

One thing I noticed about the charts on the KitGuru site is that Corsair H100i Platinum is missing from the 5 GHz chart, but is consistently the highest on the lower loads. I looked it up out of curiosity, and noticed that it's much cheaper. On other sites, benchmarks show it performing extremely well, often times even better than the H115i Platinum. Is it worth considering?

There's also the new Corsair iCUE H100i RGB Pro XT that just came out. Trying to look up benchmarks, but there aren't much to work with. It looks promising from what I've seen, though.

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Update: Okay, I settled on the Corsair iCUE H100i RGB Pro XT in the end, because my case can only fit 240mm, and it seemed to give the best performance from what I've seen of 240mm benchmarks. Let's hope that it performs better than my NH-D15.

I can only assume that the reason why I'm getting poor temps on the NH-D15 is because of airflow and space. Hitting 80-90 on that cooler doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and every benchmark I've seen so far never hits it. I can only assume that there is inefficiency happening. Perhaps air pressure and ambient temps are negatively affecting its performance.

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I'd have gone with the arctic cooler 240mm then. H100i is loud
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