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That I've noticed reviewers seem too fixated on gaming temps at default turbo clocks and voltages.

They never show all core multipliers oc'ing and on manual voltages and then do a stress test "a real stress test" which yes blender is a good one/ free anyone can use it to compare their results.

Increase the multiplier and voltage and do it again
Repeat till you get to tj max or until you come to 10-15c below tj max. comfort zone. to see how well any water block can scale with higher clocks....
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Wow, they want $269 for the full nickel version? Since when did CPU water blocks get this expensive? The massive sTRX40 Velocity full nickel block was only like $130.
Yes, that is the situation.

The reason why the price is driven up so much is the mounting frame, and the jet insert.... well there are other factors as well, but I guess those are the main ones, compared to any other EK block on the market.

The mounting frame on every CPU water block on the market is either punch stamped or laser cut (please correct me if I'm wrong). The Magnitude has a frame which is CNC machined out of a solid piece of aluminum
to get that 3D effect. Was this necessary? No, but we had a vision and we wanted to make it a reality.



The jet insert is also, with almost every CPU water block on the market, a part of the top itself. With the Magnitude, the jet insert is CNC machined in several steps, so even though its small piece of brass,
the machining time is what drives up the cost.

This is why the mentioned sTR4 water block is much cheaper. The insert is a part of the top, no additional machining is needed. The frame is a punch-stamped sheet of metal.

I am fairly sure that the Magnitude will lay the grounds for the upcoming "mass-produced" CPU water block where production optimizations will be made to reduce the cost, so no, we are not going to be Apple.
But, yes, the Magnitude is not a cost-optimized product. Its made to perform the best as it can, and to look different.
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If the price is too high for your taste, there is the Full Nickel, all-metal Velocity which is only 1.4°C worse than the Signature and costs 100 bucks less, but I don't see anyone mentioning that relation. Going further, the Classic Supremacy block had the same performance related to the V2 and costs 140 bucks less, yet no one is mentioning that.

The only thing important, as it seems, is that a water block with more options, a unique design, with better performance, way better flow rates, is more expensive than the second-placed in performance, which has [B]just two[B] material version available, and has a much worse flow ratio. If you take all of this into account, doesn't it seem fair that the Magnitude is more expensive? I mean no one is forcing you to buy it. By the logic I have seen here the Classic Supremacy block is the best pick, which offers 307% more Performance per Dollar related to the V2.

So my question is. What is important to you?
The price?
The performance?
The design?
Material choices and customization?
Flow rates?
Country of origin?
Fancy marketing words like "space-grade" or "cast acrylic"?

It seems to me that the three available EK products cover each category, but still, I see a lot of flaming.
I have always respected the competition that was innovative enough to come up with their own products and own design
and had a unique look. The market is big enough to have competition and to push the boundaries so my primary role here is not to diss the competition.

I'm just trying to use some common sense here and to get some real feedback, other than "EK is garbage" so that EK can work on their upcoming products.
I really hope that we can avoid distasteful and rude comments, and have a healthy conversation and get insight on whats is important for members of this forum.
Thanks!
And the Optimus Foundation performs essentially on par in thermals with the Magnitude for less than half the price. Yes, it's more restrictive, but if you are trying to run budget pumps then you shouldn't be looking at $100+ blocks, never mind $250+ blocks. And....the Foundation is a far better choice then the Velocity or Supremacy blocks and falls in the same price range.

I still use a Supremacy EVO, simply because it does the job and the gains would not justify spending money on another block. But if I was buying a new block today, none of these three EKs would make the least bit of sense with Optimus, HK and AquaComputer blocks available.

Yeah....the little girl hentai avatar is really creeping me out....
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So you've never read the testing methodology? That has been basically standard for a decade?

A dwyer 490 that has been used by Martin, Stren, Fastfate, VSG etc etc

Some things make more sense now.




At least they didn't claim it would 5 or 8 or 10C better.

Its 0.1 at 1GPM. You won't be getting 1 GPM of flow with a couple of optimus blocks in the system thats for sure.
That's why pressure drop matters. Testing at the same flow rate is important for consistency but in real loops the flows will not be the same.
haven't bothered to look into it in at least 5 years, so no the minutia has gone by the wayside.(notice how i spend almost zero time in WC threads? I don't care. I buy, I slap on, I dial in temps & OCs, n go about my business.. oodling over B-'s newest sponsored build was never all that entertaining for me) to my own demise, this velocity block is meh. should've just stuck with my OG full copper supremacy

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@trash zone did you saw this? mind you tests were done at 40x multi @ 1.1v XD
https://www.bit-tech.net/reviews/tec...lock-review/3/

more tests coming soon "hipster mustache included" in those tests


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We place our test rigs under load using the small FFTs stress test in the free application Prime95 26.6, as this test is designed to place maximum load on the CPU. We use the free applications CoreTemp and HWMonitor to measure the temperature of our CPUs. We always take the maximum temperature for consistency and do so after 15 minutes, which is enough time for temperatures to plateau. The test is performed using a custom-made script to ensure consistency.

The results provided are the delta T results i.e. the difference between the recorded CPU temperature and ambient temperature at the time of testing. Our labs are not temperature-controlled, so this provides the most accurate method of comparison for coolers tested on different days. Any cooler that causes one of our CPUs to reach its thermal limit and downclock or turn off is considered a fail.
btw bit-tech do you know p95 26.6 starts heating pretty good after the 15 min mark dont you but you know this already im going to guess.. unless you use custom ffts and change the default 15min per fft XD
btw you also have to use another version + custom because the default is up to 32threads instead of the 36 the 7980xe have XD
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lol no but i can't take that mustache seriously lol

I've never used P95 so no I don't know anything about it most people just say avoid it on 2066 and 2011v3 and that's all it took

I'll try and just listen to the video though

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lol no but i can't take that mustache seriously lol

I've never used P95 so no I don't know anything about it most people just say avoid it on 2066 and 2011v3 and that's all it took

I'll try and just listen to the video though [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Well if i average all my temps on all 18cores and substract my ambient where the rig is at at this moment im getting in the almost in the 9min (put whole 15min lol) mark hitting it with blend... At 40x @ 1.1v ambient is 74F (23c)
Minus 50c average all core without including the 2/4T idle cores doing nothing this will drop the average to 46-48c not counting peaks just average temp i be getting a Delta T of 27c on the v2 xD
The package out of the socket its not even a sustained 230w.. Just like an aida "stress tests" before the 15m mark.

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even the 8k fft its not juicing enough it after those 15min its just 20-30w more if you select small fft always start with 12k which is less wattage draw than 8k then wait 15min+ to finish all ffts on the current workload
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weird how we're all of a sudden measuring PSI instead of flow? does techpowerup go into how they get that metric? i assume it can only mean they're running an AC MIPS device? if so, then give us the full read out you dorks.

either way, congrats to EK for finally realizing their custom segment was suffering.

still weird to see a large european shop not be able to compete with their competition on price.
Yeah, the pressure drop is interesting. it is relevant tho since nearly all (?) pumps we use are essentially by-pass types and head pressure will affect flow... just I'm use to seeing flow rates also.

BTW - I did not see a drop in flow rate (at 3.9lpm) switching between a koolance 390i, EK Supremacy evo, optimus foundation and optimus v2. Most likely related to the accuracy of the flow meters I'm using (koolance and AquaC). I did have one of the AQ pressure sensors hooked it for a while, even one of their no-moving parts flow meters. Cute stuff, but not as reliable as old-school water-wheel style meters.

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TechPowerUp has a very limited budget obviously
Last i read he would be waiting for someone to send him a board/ chip and memory

Here's his response just about more max core temp data lol he has to have it seeing his averages rely on a min max to get an average still nothing offered.
Lol. If you had ever tried doing any thorough testing you would be aware how expensive it is. The CPU and MB are by far the cheapest parts needed.
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