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You can look at the Phanteks Enthoo 719 case. Has space for up to 2x360 and 2x480 rads, depending on their thickness. I have it, pretty decent case to work in.

Like someone else said, there is no perfect case, there is always a trade off. All the good watercooling focused cases these days come without 5.25" bays, so you might just need to move on from that.

There is also the Lian Li 011 Dynamic XL. I bought that case before exchanging it for the Phanteks 719. My main issue was that I use a bunch of HDDs and the HDD cages in the 011 XL are very poorly ventilated (terrible design oversight, as it's otherwise an excellent case and I reluctantly returned it). My HDDs were hitting temps of 57 C. Most HDDs are rated to operate up to 60 C, but you really don't want them above 45 C or you'll severely shorten their lifespan.

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You're right about the temperatures on the hard drives. Although it has a solution, a couple of 60 fans and the most I've seen have been 42 degrees, they're usually over thirty-bit (a couple of WD Green 2 TB Raid 0):
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You're right about the temperatures on the hard drives. Although it has a solution, a couple of 60 fans and the most I've seen have been 42 degrees, they're usually over thirty-bit (a couple of WD Green 2 TB Raid 0):
I tried that with one 80mm fan and it made no difference with 4tb Hgst drives.

In my Phanteks Case they never go above 44.

Those cages in the 011 XL really just seemed to be an afterthought. Very tight tolerances and well made, but no thought towards temps.

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Quote: Originally Posted by sakete View Post
I tried that with one 80mm fan and it made no difference with 4tb Hgst drives.

In my Phanteks Case they never go above 44.

Those cages in the 011 XL really just seemed to be an afterthought. Very tight tolerances and well made, but no thought towards temps.
I did see a post where someone modified the back of the cage to mount a fan to it, which did fix their issue.

Although having to cut holes in parts of a brand new case for it to function properly is quite unreasonable.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gilles3000 View Post
I did see a post where someone modified the back of the cage to mount a fan to it, which did fix their issue.



Although having to cut holes in parts of a brand new case for it to function properly is quite unreasonable.
Yeah exactly. It either works well out of the box or it doesn't. It didn't for me, so I returned it.

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5.25" drive bays have been going away. How often do you use the Blueray? I might have an option to open up cases? What fan controller?
TBH I do not use the Blu-ray frequently, I just like having the option! The fan controller is a Lamptron FC2...it's a 6-channel analog product with large-ish protruding knobs. It wouldn't work well with a case design involving a door in front of the bay(s).

Quote: Originally Posted by speed_demon View Post
Fractal Define R6 has a single 5.25" bay and is aimed squarely at watercooling & enthusiast setups - https://www.fractal-design.com/produ...fine-r6/black/

There are some really nice options for converting a 5.25" drive into an external unit over USB these days. Were I in your shoes I'd buy the R6 & get an external box to run the blu ray drive as a stand alone device.
Keep in mind my fan controller has extruded knobs that will interfere with a door on the case. I would have to have the door open 24/7, which I'm not a fan of.

Quote: Originally Posted by Gilles3000 View Post
The Phanteks Enthoo Pro or Luxe should do the job, quite a bit better quality than the ThermalFake stuff as well.
Thanks for the suggestion. It looks like the only spot for a 360 rad on these would be on the top, right? It looks like a tight fit encroaching on the top bays, will the rad fit correctly? I am hoping for something that won't require headaches during assembly.

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Quote: Originally Posted by grmnasasin0227 View Post
TBH I do not use the Blu-ray frequently, I just like having the option! The fan controller is a Lamptron FC2...it's a 6-channel analog product with large-ish protruding knobs. It wouldn't work well with a case design involving a door in front of the bay(s).

Keep in mind my fan controller has extruded knobs that will interfere with a door on the case. I would have to have the door open 24/7, which I'm not a fan of.
I have a 5.25" silverstone 5x fan controller with big honking knobs and it doesn't interfere with the door at all surprisingly. I'd have to find someone with the case to measure the gap from door to panel to know for sure how much room there is, but it's at least an inch and likely more.

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Quote: Originally Posted by sakete View Post
You can look at the Phanteks Enthoo 719 case. Has space for up to 2x360 and 2x480 rads, depending on their thickness. I have it, pretty decent case to work in.

Like someone else said, there is no perfect case, there is always a trade off. All the good watercooling focused cases these days come without 5.25" bays, so you might just need to move on from that.

There is also the Lian Li 011 Dynamic XL. I bought that case before exchanging it for the Phanteks 719. My main issue was that I use a bunch of HDDs and the HDD cages in the 011 XL are very poorly ventilated (terrible design oversight, as it's otherwise an excellent case and I reluctantly returned it). My HDDs were hitting temps of 57 C. Most HDDs are rated to operate up to 60 C, but you really don't want them above 45 C or you'll severely shorten their lifespan.
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Thanks for the suggestion. It looks like the only spot for a 360 rad on these would be on the top, right? It looks like a tight fit encroaching on the top bays, will the rad fit correctly? I am hoping for something that won't require headaches during assembly.
You're only looking to use 2 5.25" bays right? In that case you have about 100mm of clearance for your rad+fans before hitting something in those, which is plenty.

If you do want to use all 3 bays you're limited to about 60mm for your rad+fans.
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5.25" drive bays have been going away. How often do you use the Blueray? I might have an option to open up cases? What fan controller?
TBH I do not use the Blu-ray frequently, I just like having the option! The fan controller is a Lamptron FC2...it's a 6-channel analog product with large-ish protruding knobs. It wouldn't work well with a case design involving a door in front of the bay(s).
Ditch the fan controller as pretty much all top end fans are PWM now and Mobo is usually good enough especially if you have the rad space. Get a USB to Sata adapter for when you need the Blueray or optical drive. I did the same thing and love my O-11D XL. The HDD do run a little warm but I am taking care of that with a 60mm fan, some acrylic and a dremel. If you dont want to make an adapter for the fan go with a 40 or 50mm cause a 60 hangs off a tiny bit. Also I am going to cut the sleds the HDD sit in for better ventilation. See my post above.

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