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Issue with EKWB Radiator (Idle Temp Issue)

Hello,

I built my first custom loop with all EKWB parts. I have their velocity CPU block cooling my i9-7900X, a pump/res. combo that uses a D5 pump, and an SE 420mm radiator. I have delidded my 7900X for much better performance, but noticed that my idle temp with an overclock of 4.5GHz @ 1.150 on the VCore - is sitting at 41C. I thought this was an airflow issue and switched cases to the Phanteks Enthoo Luxe from a Be Quiet! case.

However, after searching for an answer I noticed an article (https://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/07/0...diator-review/) that said how bad the SE radiator performs. This then lead me down a rabbit hole of people saying EKWB products are terrible in performance and longevity.

I thought EKWB was good, since their customer support has been solid in my experience, and they've been around for a while.

So, I come here asking for a recommendation on a new radiator and your opinion and/or experience with EKWB.

Thank you in advance!

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Hi,
Yes SE series rads are not very good
Velocity block is okay but not the best either
D5 pump is just fine.

So with that in mind how to go forward
I'd ditch the se rad and get a hardware labs gts series to replace it and go from there.

Post up temperature screen shot after a simple run of cinebench R20 and lets see how the cpu block is performing.

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GPU
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Optical Drive
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evga 1200-P2
Cooling
2-280GTX Black Ice Nemesis rads with D5 pump-res combo and D5 top before and after rads.
Cooling
MO-RA3 360 PRO stainless steel (25022)
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corsair 450D with added 2nd floor to house radiator on top
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Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo 500gb M.2/ Samsung 850 Pro 256gb for os and 500gb evo for favorite games plus other wd hdd's for data and backup's
Power Supply
EVGA 1000-P2
Cooling
2-240 GTX Black Ice Nemesis rads/ D5 pump-res combo and D5 top before and after rads.
Case
Corsair 450D with added 2nd floor to house radiator on top
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Win-7 and 10 pro Win-7 Primary os.
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Quote: Originally Posted by ZeroC00L View Post
Hello,

I built my first custom loop with all EKWB parts. I have their velocity CPU block cooling my i9-7900X, a pump/res. combo that uses a D5 pump, and an SE 420mm radiator. I have delidded my 7900X for much better performance, but noticed that my idle temp with an overclock of 4.5GHz @ 1.150 on the VCore - is sitting at 41C. I thought this was an airflow issue and switched cases to the Phanteks Enthoo Luxe from a Be Quiet! case.

However, after searching for an answer I noticed an article (https://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/07/0...diator-review/) that said how bad the SE radiator performs. This then lead me down a rabbit hole of people saying EKWB products are terrible in performance and longevity.

I thought EKWB was good, since their customer support has been solid in my experience, and they've been around for a while.

So, I come here asking for a recommendation on a new radiator and your opinion and/or experience with EKWB.

Thank you in advance!

I have several EKWB products (CPU and GPU water-blocks) but no EKWB radiators. While I did have some minor issues with the EKWB GPU blocks, quality has otherwise been good for items in use for 7 yrs+. As to radiators, I have 7x XSPC RX360 with the first 4 in use since 2012. No problems whatsoever (other than required flushing w/ distilled water when new, like most rads). Performance and reliability of my XSPC RX360 rads has been exemplary for 24/7/365 use over all these years. In addition, I also use 2x Black Ice Nemesis M184 GTX...again, no problems w/ those either.

However, these two have dramatically different fin counts per given area compared to the XSPC rads, and that suggests different type of fans (apart from size) re. pressure. You might want to check if your fans are ideal for the EK-coolstream-se-360mm for best performance.
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Hi,
Missed the obvious if you can return the se rad just opt for a PE or EX series ek rad instead those are the best series.
CE is mediocre but better than se.

CPU
i9-9940x With Optimus Foundation copper-plexi and Heatkiller VRM Plexi-Copper water block
Motherboard
ASUS x299 Rampage VI Apex
GPU
Titan Xp with copper Water Block
RAM
Trident Z 3600C16 4x8gb's b-die default timings 16-16-16-36
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500gb M.2/ Samsung 850 Pro 256gb for os and 500gb evo for favorite games plus other wd hdd's for data and backup's
Optical Drive
LG Blu-Ray WH16NS40
Power Supply
evga 1200-P2
Cooling
2-280GTX Black Ice Nemesis rads with D5 pump-res combo and D5 top before and after rads.
Cooling
MO-RA3 360 PRO stainless steel (25022)
Case
corsair 450D with added 2nd floor to house radiator on top
Operating System
Win-7 pro & 10 pro Win-7 Primary os.
Monitor
ASUS VG248QE 24" 144Hz
Keyboard
Logitech G910 Orion spectrum
Mouse
Redragon Perdition
Audio
Built in realtek and Insignia 2.0 soundbar HSB318
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5.0/https://valid.x86.fr/ez2ifr
CPU
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Motherboard
X99 Sabertooth
GPU
EVGA 1080ti FTW3 with Water block
RAM
Trident-Z 3200C14 4x8gb's b-die default timings 14-14-14-34
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo 500gb M.2/ Samsung 850 Pro 256gb for os and 500gb evo for favorite games plus other wd hdd's for data and backup's
Power Supply
EVGA 1000-P2
Cooling
2-240 GTX Black Ice Nemesis rads/ D5 pump-res combo and D5 top before and after rads.
Case
Corsair 450D with added 2nd floor to house radiator on top
Operating System
Win-7 and 10 pro Win-7 Primary os.
Monitor
AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz
Mouse
Red Dragon Perdition
Audio
Built in realtek and Insignia 2.0 soundbar HSB318
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Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Yes SE series rads are not very good
Velocity block is okay but not the best either
D5 pump is just fine.

So with that in mind how to go forward
I'd ditch the se rad and get a hardware labs gts series to replace it and go from there.

Post up temperature screen shot after a simple run of cinebench R20 and lets see how the cpu block is performing.
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Quote: Originally Posted by J7SC View Post
I have several EKWB products (CPU and GPU water-blocks) but no EKWB radiators. While I did have some minor issues with the EKWB GPU blocks, quality has otherwise been good for items in use for 7 yrs+. As to radiators, I have 7x XSPC RX360 with the first 4 in use since 2012. No problems whatsoever (other than required flushing w/ distilled water when new, like most rads). Performance and reliability of my XSPC RX360 rads has been exemplary for 24/7/365 use over all these years. In addition, I also use 2x Black Ice Nemesis M184 GTX...again, no problems w/ those either.

However, these two have dramatically different fin counts per given area compared to the XSPC rads, and that suggests different type of fans (apart from size) re. pressure. You might want to check if your fans are ideal for the EK-coolstream-se-360mm for best performance.
So, XSPC is your clear go to. Thank you!

I appreciate the information. Any other companies that you recommend/use often?

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Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Missed the obvious if you can return the se rad just opt for a PE or EX series ek rad instead those are the best series.
CE is mediocre but better than se.
Is PE or EX rads something you would recommend to anyone, or do you believe I should avoid EKWB altogether in the future?

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Hi,
Thank you
70-84c core temp spread between hottest and coolest at 4.5
Could be better usually look for within 10c to show the contact is very good

Problem with 14c difference is usually going to 4.6-4.7-... the distance will increase not decrease and usually won't even stay the same.

So you may have some thermal paste contact issue too.

Put the fans at full blast and do the test again see if anything improves.

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i9-9940x With Optimus Foundation copper-plexi and Heatkiller VRM Plexi-Copper water block
Motherboard
ASUS x299 Rampage VI Apex
GPU
Titan Xp with copper Water Block
RAM
Trident Z 3600C16 4x8gb's b-die default timings 16-16-16-36
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500gb M.2/ Samsung 850 Pro 256gb for os and 500gb evo for favorite games plus other wd hdd's for data and backup's
Optical Drive
LG Blu-Ray WH16NS40
Power Supply
evga 1200-P2
Cooling
2-280GTX Black Ice Nemesis rads with D5 pump-res combo and D5 top before and after rads.
Cooling
MO-RA3 360 PRO stainless steel (25022)
Case
corsair 450D with added 2nd floor to house radiator on top
Operating System
Win-7 pro & 10 pro Win-7 Primary os.
Monitor
ASUS VG248QE 24" 144Hz
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Motherboard
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RAM
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Hard Drive
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Power Supply
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Cooling
2-240 GTX Black Ice Nemesis rads/ D5 pump-res combo and D5 top before and after rads.
Case
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Hi,
Missed the obvious if you can return the se rad just opt for a PE or EX series ek rad instead those are the best series.
CE is mediocre but better than se.
Sadly, they only offer CE now in the 420mm size that I need. Should I look at XSPC or another company that you use?

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Sadly, they only offer CE now in the 420mm size that I need. Should I look at XSPC or another company that you use?
Hi,
XSPC is okay
Think everyone that needs a slim radiator focusing on low rpm fans goes hardware labs GTS series

http://hardwarelabs.com/nemesis/gts/420gts/

CPU
i9-9940x With Optimus Foundation copper-plexi and Heatkiller VRM Plexi-Copper water block
Motherboard
ASUS x299 Rampage VI Apex
GPU
Titan Xp with copper Water Block
RAM
Trident Z 3600C16 4x8gb's b-die default timings 16-16-16-36
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500gb M.2/ Samsung 850 Pro 256gb for os and 500gb evo for favorite games plus other wd hdd's for data and backup's
Optical Drive
LG Blu-Ray WH16NS40
Power Supply
evga 1200-P2
Cooling
2-280GTX Black Ice Nemesis rads with D5 pump-res combo and D5 top before and after rads.
Cooling
MO-RA3 360 PRO stainless steel (25022)
Case
corsair 450D with added 2nd floor to house radiator on top
Operating System
Win-7 pro & 10 pro Win-7 Primary os.
Monitor
ASUS VG248QE 24" 144Hz
Keyboard
Logitech G910 Orion spectrum
Mouse
Redragon Perdition
Audio
Built in realtek and Insignia 2.0 soundbar HSB318
Other
5.0/https://valid.x86.fr/ez2ifr
CPU
i7-5930k with Heatkiller IV Pro Plexi-Copper and koolance vrm water blocks
Motherboard
X99 Sabertooth
GPU
EVGA 1080ti FTW3 with Water block
RAM
Trident-Z 3200C14 4x8gb's b-die default timings 14-14-14-34
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 Evo 500gb M.2/ Samsung 850 Pro 256gb for os and 500gb evo for favorite games plus other wd hdd's for data and backup's
Power Supply
EVGA 1000-P2
Cooling
2-240 GTX Black Ice Nemesis rads/ D5 pump-res combo and D5 top before and after rads.
Case
Corsair 450D with added 2nd floor to house radiator on top
Operating System
Win-7 and 10 pro Win-7 Primary os.
Monitor
AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz
Mouse
Red Dragon Perdition
Audio
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