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is my block not making good contact?

Or am I seeing normal temps on my 3700X? I'm using an Aquacomputer Cuplex Kryos NEXT. Running Folding At Home on my 2080 Super FTW hydro copper and with the CPU client set to 4 threads (of the 16 on my CPU) I will get temp spikes occasionally to 86C with average around 77C according to HWinfo64. Loop based on a 30mm 360 Alphacool v.2 rad and an Aquacomputer PWM D5 set to around 4250RPM. I'm thinking maybe the Aquacomputer block is just not up to the chiplet design of the Zen2 chips? I thought about turning on a solid stress like OCCT and while it's running alternately backing off and re-tightening mounting screws slightly to see if I see a temp change. Any thoughts?

This is my first loop. I'm definitely planning to add a second rad soon along with temp probes and flow meter for the loop (didn't realize those really should have been in there to start) but I don't think the spikes are related to my rad capacity.

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Quote: Originally Posted by flyinion View Post
Or am I seeing normal temps on my 3700X? I'm using an Aquacomputer Cuplex Kryos NEXT. Running Folding At Home on my 2080 Super FTW hydro copper and with the CPU client set to 4 threads (of the 16 on my CPU) I will get temp spikes occasionally to 86C with average around 77C according to HWinfo64. Loop based on a 30mm 360 Alphacool v.2 rad and an Aquacomputer PWM D5 set to around 4250RPM. I'm thinking maybe the Aquacomputer block is just not up to the chiplet design of the Zen2 chips? I thought about turning on a solid stress like OCCT and while it's running alternately backing off and re-tightening mounting screws slightly to see if I see a temp change. Any thoughts?

This is my first loop. I'm definitely planning to add a second rad soon along with temp probes and flow meter for the loop (didn't realize those really should have been in there to start) but I don't think the spikes are related to my rad capacity.
With a 2080 super, you are wearing out your CPU for no reason. The PPD on a CPU just isn't worth it. Your GPU is in the Olympics and well the CPU these days is in the special variant. I get maybe 150k max PPD with my 9700k. Temps are high too, [email protected] is intensive. Best stress test I know.

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With a 2080 super, you are wearing out your CPU for no reason. The PPD on a CPU just isn't worth it. Your GPU is in the Olympics and well the CPU these days is in the special variant. I get maybe 150k max PPD with my 9700k. Temps are high too, [email protected] is intensive. Best stress test I know.
Yeah I only started trying the CPU ones specifically for the Covid stuff as there are special research WU that at least as of a few days ago they said are only running on CPU separate from the Covid units that can run on the GPU. I should mention that OCCT I usually topped out low 70's after 30 minutes or so while the GPU is running Heaven as well to heat soak the loop. I guess I'm just wondering if i have a block issue since as I mentioned this is my first loop (custom or AIO) always used air before and I was under the impression that I shouldn't be able to get quick spikes like that but maybe I'm wrong.

The other thing I was going to look at was trying out Kryonaut over my MX4. The block came with some, but I tried to spread it after reading some stuff online on how to apply kryonaut and apparently that was a mistake. I couldn't get it to spread evenly and ended up just cleaning it off and going with MX4 as the small sample tube was depleted. I've since seen vids of people like Der8aer using it just in the standard dot or X methods and it spread just fine so I would end up using one of those methods this next time around.

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Yeah I only started trying the CPU ones specifically for the Covid stuff as there are special research WU that at least as of a few days ago they said are only running on CPU separate from the Covid units that can run on the GPU. I should mention that OCCT I usually topped out low 70's after 30 minutes or so while the GPU is running Heaven as well to heat soak the loop. I guess I'm just wondering if i have a block issue since as I mentioned this is my first loop (custom or AIO) always used air before and I was under the impression that I shouldn't be able to get quick spikes like that but maybe I'm wrong.

The other thing I was going to look at was trying out Kryonaut over my MX4. The block came with some, but I tried to spread it after reading some stuff online on how to apply kryonaut and apparently that was a mistake. I couldn't get it to spread evenly and ended up just cleaning it off and going with MX4 as the small sample tube was depleted. I've since seen vids of people like Der8aer using it just in the standard dot or X methods and it spread just fine so I would end up using one of those methods this next time around.
It's all preference my dude. Re-seating your CPU is something I do frequently. Honestly MX4 is fine, Kryonaut sure. I tend to rice dot and spread to a thin film, but thats me AND i've never owned a CPU I haven't lapped

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It's all preference my dude. Re-seating your CPU is something I do frequently. Honestly MX4 is fine, Kryonaut sure. I tend to rice dot and spread to a thin film, but thats me AND i've never owned a CPU I haven't lapped
Yeah I'm just trying to figure out if the block might be sitting slightly off of flat or something or if this block is just not good enough for the Zen2 chiplet design and I should be looking at optimus or if there are some other new block designs out there targeted at the Zen2 designs.

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Not quite sure, I do know that Optimus blocks are some of the best ones out there right now. I would re-seat the processor, re apply TIM and try again. Make sure the backplate didn't **** up somehow.

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Kryonaut is noticeably lower in temps than the mx4. I would do the swap if it were me as I know the improvements, although slight, are still improvements that will be greatly appreciated and will help your situation out probably more than you realize.

Have you updated your hw info program to the latest version? I remember reading in the new version update release notes/change log about some changes or additions or something regarding GeForce RTX 2070, 80, 80ti ICX temperature reading sensors will be more accurate or something....


As for your cpu overheating... just food for thought, but I took some sandpaper to my 9700 and shaved about 5c just mindlessly (semi wet) sanding the top of the die for about 8-10 minutes.


I have my 9700k 5326mhz / 5026mhz cache with ring down bin disabled, and all power restrictions/current restrictions and limits set to max, stable at 1.35v LLC 6 (asus hero xi) while running some 3 year old g skill 4266mhz c19 Kit at c14-14-14-34 @ 3752mhz at command rate 1 at 1.45volts while all being air cooled using a noctua d15 lol.... (doesn’t pass 65c while playing counter strike for 5 hours and scores 100th percentile in every category except video card on userbenchmark)

Delided and replaced the lid with the rockitcool copper lid and yes that thing does work and does drop temps a couple of C at the very least, so if you are going to delid or lap your cpu or even change out the mx4, id visit the rockitcool website and get the copper lid there and replace the trash stock intel lid. Just my 2 cents, cheers and good luck
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Hi,
Only way to know how well contact is doing is seeing all core temps
Not possible on amd
Only other way is removing the block and looking at the timm spread.
mx4 2019 is good paste
kryonaut is usually dry in the tube and spreads for crap and is way over priced.

I use nt-h1 works best all these pastes are within 1c of each other so contact means more.

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