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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 07-01-2020, 09:06 AM - Thread Starter
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Looking for an additive that won't gunk up my loop over time

I've been using Mayhem's XT-1 Nuke, no coloring or anything else other than 10% of that and distilled water.

See attached pics for what it led to - a completely clogged loop, since water could not get past the waterblock, at least not with flow rate of significance, despite two large pump motors pushing it through the loop.

The water reservoir had similar foamy gunk all over the top of its inside which was very difficult to clean. I don't even want to image what's inside my radiators! It took several hours of hot vinegar to flush all this crud out. I did the waterblock by hand with baking soda (30 mins of scrubbing with a toothbrush, to get all the gunk out from between the ridges!) since nickel and vinegar don't mix.

There has to be an additive out there that won't gunk up your loop, but is still effective at killing algae and bacteria, so if anyone is using one that doesn't foam or leave a horrible residue behind, please reply with the brand/product details and how long you've been running it in your loop without issue.
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was this with soft tube?
how long had the XT1nuke been run?
how did you clean your components before assembling and filling?

kinda looks like plasticizer.

i've been using X1 Clear/Mayhems Biocide/inhibitor droppers for years, n I can't say i've ever seen build up like since moving to X1 Clear.
(standard x1, not nuke cuz i'm not cooling nuclear powered lasers)

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Soft tube was used, plasticizer-free (PrimoFlex Advanced LRT). I did the research and made sure before purchasing it. Also, plasticizer resembles fine powder not this paste, in any case.

The gunk is definitely from the Mayhem, since I see it forming in the foam if the water is run fast through the loop (even on day 1!). The precipitate in the image formed over about 2 years time.

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Quote: Originally Posted by mikegold10 View Post
Soft tube was used, plasticizer-free (PrimoFlex Advanced LRT). I did the research and made sure before purchasing it. Also, plasticizer resembles fine powder not this paste, in any case.

The gunk is definitely from the Mayhem, since I see it forming in the foam if the water is run fast through the loop (even on day 1!). The precipitate in the image formed over about 2 years time.
There are plenty of additives that won't gunk up your loop....it's the plasticizer that is gunking up your loop in this case.

Can you find me anywhere, just one single place that Primochill (and not a random poster in a forum) claims that Advanced LRT is plasticizer free? It's not. Never has been. And you are probably the fifth person I have seen post that it is in the last week (and, of course, showing a clear plasticizer issue and saying that it must be something else.....). What is up with that?

This is straight from Primochill, not a single mention of it being plasticizer free:

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Description
PRIMOFLEX™ ADVANCED LRT™
PrimoFlex™ Advanced LRT™ Tubing has been designed, formulated, and manufactured for today’s evolving standards in the PC water cooling industry. Advanced LRT™ has been carefully formulated to perform in a wide range of closed loop cooling systems, creating the most compatible water cooling tubing ever created.

LOW RADIUS TECHNOLOGY
PrimoChill’s proprietary blend of notably low durometer PVC and more rigid polymer resin provides PrimoFlex™ Advanced LRT™ with an unbeatable bend ratio and durability. PrimoFlex™ has been tested in exacting laboratory set-ups. This included tests with abrupt small radius bends and multiple directional changes. Advanced LRT™ tubing resisted both twisting and collapse in test results. This allows for tighter bends eliminating kinking that can cause cooling failures and reduction in system performance.

CLARITY IN SIGHT AND MIND
Smooth inner walls improve closed loop sanitation. Advanced LRT™ smooth surface inhibits particulate gathering or entrapment onto the tubing wall. This reduces the potential of bacterial growth and contamination. With this technology, Advanced LRT™ will keep your system looking and feeling as clean as the day it was installed..

SysPrep & Liquid Utopia™ INCLUDED
COMPLETE RETAIL BUNDLE
Included in the package at no additional cost is a 15mL bottle of SysPrep – Cooling Loop Pre-Treatment as well as a 15mL bottle of Liquid Utopia. Any successful venture into water-cooling starts with a true cooling loop preparation which can only be achieved by using Sys Prep™. It will “flush” your loop and its components of any debris left by the manufacturing processes of your reservoir, block, pump, or radiator, leaving your water cooling loop clean, clear, pristine and ready for any type of coolant. Once your LRT tubing is crystal clear the Liquid Utopia offers a full line of protection against algae and corrosion.

START TO FINISH
PrimoChill has you covered from the beginning of your build to the end. For the first time a bundle is available that harmoniously matches a perfect tubing solution with a cleaning solution as well as a distilled water additive that ensures a clear, clean, and protected cooling loop!

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SPECIFICATIONS
Dimensions
Inner Diameter (ID): 1/2in. ±.005
Outer Diameter (OD): 3/4in. ±.015
Wall Thickness: 1/8in

Compatibility
This tubing is designed to work with 1/2in. x 3/4in. compression fittings or 1/2in. Barb w/ 3/4in. Clamp.
Note: Due to a lack of tolerances in fitting design, we have seen some minor issues when using LRT tubing along with strict size brands such as Bitspower.

PARTS INCLUDED
PRIMOFLEX™ – 10ft (For a Cleaner Cooling Loop)
SYSPREP™ – 15ml (Cooling Loop Pre-Treatment)
UTOPIA™ – 15ml (Algae/Corrosion Protectant)
WARNINGS
With the use of different components, materials, fluids, and flow rates, results may vary with the appearance of your tubing. Although Advanced LRT™ is designed to work with a large variety of cooling components the use of alcohols, Ethylene Glycol and as well as any other harmful chemicals is strictly prohibited and will void your warranty. Tubing will stain if “dyed” coolants are used. PrimoChill is not responsible for any damage caused by or when using this product.

If your fittings seem extremely tight when using our tubing there are some methods to navigate around this issue. One method is to dip the end of our tubing into very hot (not quite boiling) water prior to installation. This will make the tubing more pliable allowing tight compression rings to be mounted easier. Using this method will also create a seal between the tubing and fitting once the tube cools creating an added layer of security.


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If you don't want plasticizer issues, get yourself some Tygon A-60-G or Tygon 2375, both of which are actually plasticizer free.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post
There are plenty of additives that won't gunk up your loop....it's the plasticizer that is gunking up your loop in this case.

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If you don't want plasticizer issues, get yourself some Tygon A-60-G or Tygon 2375, both of which are actually plasticizer free.
I just did more research and decided to follow your advice! I bought a huge 50-foot length roll of 3/8" ID / 1/2" OD Tygon 2375 clear soft tubing. It's pretty expensive and 50 feet is more than I will ever need, but I am going to retube my whole watercooling loop with it. I'll use less than 10-feet of it, so I'll have plenty left over to re-sell or keep.

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Have used Primochill Advanced LRT for years. Definitely has plasticizer.

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I use this tubing as I thought it was plasticizer free as well. It definitely is not plasticizer free. You have a plasticizer problem. Also, you should not have foam in your coolant.

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Noticed this chart on Overclockers UK.

Been using Mayhems Ultra Clear tube since beginning with a mix of Mayhems Ultra Pure H20, EC6 addictive, Mayhems biocide and EK Cryofuel for years & years.

Most i have ran a system without maintenance is 3 years and was practically perfect when i stripped it down. (Ultra pure, biocide & Mayhems Dye)
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Quote: Originally Posted by mikegold10 View Post
I just did more research and decided to follow your advice! I bought a huge 50-foot length roll of 3/8" ID / 1/2" OD Tygon 2375 clear soft tubing. It's pretty expensive and 50 feet is more than I will ever need, but I am going to retube my whole watercooling loop with it. I'll use less than 10-feet of it, so I'll have plenty left over to re-sell or keep.

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Hi,
2375 is good it does have typing all down it though
Problem is 3/8-1/2" is very soft so it can't do turns very well
3/8-5/8" is best

If in the USA modmymods.com has some good PVC soft tubing worth considering i switched to it but again I used 3/8-5/8" but this stuff is pretty stiff so 3/8-1/2" would probably be fine.
https://modmymods.com/modmymods-3-8-...-mod-0002.html

Mods also has some good mods clear coolant 9.us and one free with coolant as discount code I also switched it but they also sell mayhems stuff too.
https://modmymods.com/modmymods-modw...-mod-0275.html

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Shouldn`t buy Tygon S3 E-3603.....
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