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i tried using that stuff to fix the design flaw in the 3x DDC block from... Koolance?



didn't work. The water still found a path out after I roughed up the acrylic, applied a ton, n let cure for 24 hours.



still dude's correct. It's about proper position. The resistance of BP fittings give you more margin of error, whereas the cheaper ones with less resistance/tolerance require more precision to not push them outta wack, to the point of leaking.


I’m noticing with my EK ones they are already starting to spread apart and they aren’t even a month old. The worst part is it’s not even being pulled apart, it’s just separating on its own.
I’ll be keeping a close eye on them in the future as they already look ready to leak.
I’ll be eliminating as many as I can but I clearly see why you do not ever cheap out on rotaries.

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I have a Phanteks P600s case with 2x Phanteks 140SP fan on min rpm on front intake , and one 140SP on back as exhaust . CPU([email protected],1) + VGA(1080TI @1987mhz) on water , radiator is external Mo-Ra3 420 with 9x Noctua NF A14pwm fan (300 rpm).

I also have a 420*45mm Alphacool rad somewhere collecting dust Shall i add that 420 rad in front of my P600s case ,or i wont get any benefit from it ? Or even make things worse ? ( I think 140sp fans on low rpm dont have the power to pull air through/flow across dustfilter+45mm thick rad ,trapping the heat inside the case )
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Hello all, I’m rebuilding my loop. I’m working out of a caselabs S3, and just bought a black ice nemesis GTX 360 and GTR 240.

I need advice on fans. I’m looking at the noctua NF-F12 but I noticed that NF-P12 redux 1700s are about $10 cheaper, even after buying the anti vibration mounts.

Does anyone have experience with both of these? Is there a remarkable difference in noise and performance that would warrant an additional $10 per fan?

Also given that these are both Static pressure optimized fans, do you see a huge impact from push pull vs just push or pull?

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Fans - The age old wonder of PC cooling. Noctua fans are great fans and top notch quality regardless of version. There are other fans out there that are arguably as good.

I have been running Gentle Typhoons for years. I have had ONE go bad in that time. It still works, but it's wobbly and the outer edge of the blades strike the face of radiator as it wobbles. It's now a case fan pushing air in until it gives out forever.

Before the links to vendors and maker sites, here is some information you may want to look at. It covers push vs push/pull and other curiosity about fans and water cooling/radiators.

Martins Liquid Lab

More recent: Extreme Rigs, Choose - Reviews > Radiators > any radiator. There are extensive charts and comparisons to do with tested radiator.

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ModMyMods GTs

Cooler Guys GTs 3 Pin & PWM

PPCS Darkside GTs 3 Pin & PWM

You can't forget EKWBs entry into radiator purposed fans, the Vardar.
Mainframe Customs Vardar 120mm - 140mm model also available. Also can be purchased at PPCS.

Noiseblocker:
Noiseblocker Eloop

Possibly the best ball bearing low priced PWM fan you can put on a radiator is the Akasa Piranha 120 PWM fans.
PPCS Piranha PWM

Corsair appears to have a nice line of fans now too.

I have to say though, when it comes down to it, my first choice is Gentle Typhoon, second choice is Vardar and third choice is Piranha.

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Fans - The age old wonder of PC cooling. Noctua fans are great fans and top notch quality regardless of version. There are other fans out there that are arguably as good.



I have been running Gentle Typhoons for years. I have had ONE go bad in that time. It still works, but it's wobbly and the outer edge of the blades strike the face of radiator as it wobbles. It's now a case fan pushing air in until it gives out forever.



Before the links to vendors and maker sites, here is some information you may want to look at. It covers push vs push/pull and other curiosity about fans and water cooling/radiators.



Martins Liquid Lab



More recent: Extreme Rigs, Choose - Reviews > Radiators > any radiator. There are extensive charts and comparisons to do with tested radiator.



Places to get fans:

ModMyMods GTs



Cooler Guys GTs 3 Pin & PWM



PPCS Darkside GTs 3 Pin & PWM



You can't forget EKWBs entry into radiator purposed fans, the Vardar.

Mainframe Customs Vardar 120mm - 140mm model also available. Also can be purchased at PPCS.



Noiseblocker:

Noiseblocker Eloop



Possibly the best ball bearing low priced PWM fan you can put on a radiator is the Akasa Piranha 120 PWM fans.

PPCS Piranha PWM



Corsair appears to have a nice line of fans now too.



I have to say though, when it comes down to it, my first choice is Gentle Typhoon, second choice is Vardar and third choice is Piranha.


Thanks. That’s very helpful. I’ve been looking on extreme rigs for reviews but I think a few of Martin liquid labs links are down.

My first concern isn’t necessarily the amount of static pressure or rpm because I’m using black ice gtx and gtr rads and they don’t seem overly obstructive in their fpi. I am concerned about noise though and noctua seems to be the quietest. If that’s incorrect please let me know.


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Quote: Originally Posted by Pinnacle Fit View Post
Thanks. That’s very helpful. I’ve been looking on extreme rigs for reviews but I think a few of Martin liquid labs links are down.

My first concern isn’t necessarily the amount of static pressure or rpm because I’m using black ice gtx and gtr rads and they don’t seem overly obstructive in their fpi. I am concerned about noise though and noctua seems to be the quietest. If that’s incorrect please let me know.


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Noctua likely are the quietest but also among the most expensive.
You want more static pressure compared to CFM so if you want to go with Noctua just pick the higher pressure ones over the CFM ones.

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I went with Vardar ER 120 fans. I have six 500-2200rpm standards and three 500-2200 RGB fans. As I am currently running atop my BC1 open bench, I only have one of the RGB units hanging off the 212 EVO amd you can't even hear it @1000 rpm. It's so quiet that my display card tester simply shouts it down. Of course it's an old Radeon 5770 HD Reference card. The little hamster wheel is running @54% on a 875x1195 overclock. I should probably only ramp it up that high during my gaming sessions but it's a Lifetime card. I figure if it dies on me I will try dropping in the RX 480 after replacing the block with the Stock cooler and send the 5770 in for RMA. Of course I have a couple of 6870s on hand that if I fill them with water and put a fan over the heatsinks, they would work fine too. But yeah.

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Thanks. That’s very helpful. I’ve been looking on extreme rigs for reviews but I think a few of Martin liquid labs links are down.

My first concern isn’t necessarily the amount of static pressure or rpm because I’m using black ice gtx and gtr rads and they don’t seem overly obstructive in their fpi. I am concerned about noise though and noctua seems to be the quietest. If that’s incorrect please let me know.


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Strictly answering this: "I am concerned about noise though and noctua seems to be the quietest. If that’s incorrect please let me know."

I can only tell you what my ears hear. To me, eLoops and Piranhas are louder at the same speed than GTs, Vardar and Noctua. Noctuas are quieter than Vardar. An anechoic chamber is the only environment that can deliver a definitive answer as to absolute sound produced by any fan. Noctuas and GTs have a gentle whoosh to my ears at comparable speeds, although the Noctua gets the edge for lower sound overall to my ears.

Now my perspective on buying: The difference isn't enough for me to jump out and always pay the extra money for the Noctua brand. They are all great quality fans and they all do a solid job on radiators or as case fans in terms of performance and keeping noise down. If after reading articles, reviews and chatting around, like here, you are leaning toward Noctua, buy them. Whether the beige, redux or industrial, no matter, you most likely won't be disappointed.

Keep in mind if you ramp up the speed over 1800 RPM, they will make noise and you will hear it.

Partially off-topic - I just bought four Vardar 120 ER PWM fans for an upcoming SFF utilizing two Hardware Labs 240 GTS rads. I can't wait! Unfortunately it's a multi-month build since I am waiting to see what Ryzen 3rd gen and Navi turn out to be.

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Strictly answering this: "I am concerned about noise though and noctua seems to be the quietest. If that’s incorrect please let me know."



I can only tell you what my ears hear. To me, eLoops and Piranhas are louder at the same speed than GTs, Vardar and Noctua. Noctuas are quieter than Vardar. An anechoic chamber is the only environment that can deliver a definitive answer as to absolute sound produced by any fan. Noctuas and GTs have a gentle whoosh to my ears at comparable speeds, although the Noctua gets the edge for lower sound overall to my ears.



Now my perspective on buying: The difference isn't enough for me to jump out and always pay the extra money for the Noctua brand. They are all great quality fans and they all do a solid job on radiators or as case fans in terms of performance and keeping noise down. If after reading articles, reviews and chatting around, like here, you are leaning toward Noctua, buy them. Whether the beige, redux or industrial, no matter, you most likely won't be disappointed.



Keep in mind if you ramp up the speed over 1800 RPM, they will make noise and you will hear it.


That’s correct. And I felt like the grey redux was the best bargain. It also has the same warranty as the nf12...and at $15-16 a fan after buying the bumpers, it’s around the same price as the corsairs SP120 I’m used to.


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For those who have multiple d5 pumps in series- did you add the extra ones because of flow restriction, or for redundancy? I thought I would get a much larger pressure drop with my loop but I didn’t and I already got a dual d5 top...

Is it possible to run both on low, and simulate the effect of one pump on medium or high?


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